Do SMN and BRD need 2 DoTs?

[ForteNightshade]

Quick maths:
Early IJ: Burst Shot + Iron Jaws - 2 lost ticks = 230 + 100 -100 = 230
Manual: Caustic Bite + Stormbite = 150 + 100 = 250
Also CB and SB give the same proc chance as IJ. Please read your tooltips.

Ironically, this makes Iron Jaws complete redundant since you will seldom, if ever, press it. Which defeats the entire point of the skill refreshing your DoTs.

[Hasrat]

Ironically, this makes Iron Jaws complete redundant since you will seldom, if ever, press it. Which defeats the entire point of the skill refreshing your DoTs.

Idk. Isn't there also the consideration of using two GCDs to manually refresh vs just one?

BRDs got a pretty good defense going here already, so I was gonna go with SMN and say, arguably, maybe, it probably could/should be condensed. Most of the time, whenever possible, you're applying/refreshing both with Tri-disaster anyway. What difference is it making if your one button is applying two DoTs or one?

Plus, maybe if they ween SMN off of DoTs, they can focus a little harder on the summoning part. Maybe make an actual DoT-centric job down the line. Green Mage.

[ForteNightshade]

Idk. Isn't there also the consideration of using two GCDs to manually refresh vs just one?

BRDs got a pretty good defense going here already, so I was gonna go with SMN and say, arguably, maybe, it probably could/should be condensed. Most of the time, whenever possible, you're applying/refreshing both with Tri-disaster anyway. What difference is it making if your one button is applying two DoTs or one?

Plus, maybe if they ween SMN off of DoTs, they can focus a little harder on the summoning part. Maybe make an actual DoT-centric job down the line. Green Mage.

Except with the proposal YusiKha made, you would never have a scenario where Iron Jaws wouldn't clip your DoTs. So it'd be a DPS loss to refresh them both through Iron Jaws. At least if assume the 24/30s recast times being thrown around. Maybe you'd use it to snap raid buffs but that's about it?

[YusiKha]

Except with the proposal YusiKha made, you would never have a scenario where Iron Jaws wouldn't clip your DoTs. So it'd be a DPS loss to refresh them both through Iron Jaws. At least if assume the 24/30s recast times being thrown around. Maybe you'd use it to snap raid buffs but that's about it?

Not sure where 24/30 started, but it's just about the worst timing you could pick. 18/30 would work much better, as IJ would be used at 33s, then every 90s beyond.
Heck, IJ could even be changed into a 90s cooldown weaponskill, and the lack of dot clipping be an optimisation reward for diligently upkeeping both DoTs.

Raid buff snapshotting is more of a leftover from StB BRD. With Heavy Shot being upgraded to Burst Shot, Crit Buffs no longer affecting repertoire, and raid buffs in general being weaker than before... New BRD just isn't about snapshotting buffs.

[ForteNightshade]

Not sure where 24/30 started, but it's just about the worst timing you could pick. 18/30 would work much better, as IJ would be used at 33s, then every 90s beyond.
Heck, IJ could even be changed into a 90s cooldown weaponskill, and the lack of dot clipping be an optimisation reward for diligently upkeeping both DoTs.

Raid buff snapshotting is more of a leftover from StB BRD. With Heavy Shot being upgraded to Burst Shot, Crit Buffs no longer affecting repertoire, and raid buffs in general being weaker than before... New BRD just isn't about snapshotting buffs.

This eliminates snap shotting buffs like Litany since it would result in a massive loss. And all so you could press one additional button every so often. It wouldn't even result in that many since you'd use Iron Jaws very infrequently. Ironically, this both simplifies Bard further while making it more annoying. You now have no interaction with raid buffs and have to watch hit bars even more.

I wager you won't find many Bards in favor of this change, especially since most rejoiced when their dots went up to 30s.

[Mhaeric]

Not sure where 24/30 started

24/30 came from the SMN dot durations back when they had different durations.