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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    I do wonder why Emet created such imperfect illusions. It would be understandable for the normal shades but why do that for those he counted as friends? Is that a hint that Emet truly does not remember them exactly thus that they too do not have the perfect memory? Or is it just the case that SE did not want to give them faces because its more work? Would have been nice to see that because then we might have been able to see if they have some hints of other races in them or if they have complete new faces.
    It could also be taken as a sign of ever present grief. If I was in his position, doomed to wander for hundreds upon hundreds of eras with the smallest hope that I might one day be reunited with my loved ones, I don't think I could stomach seeing false copies of them running about during what we know to be their last day. The weight of that grief alone would be too much to bear, particularly watching as loved ones happily went about the very same routine that would end in their deaths, and thus a more anonymous representation would be preferred. It could also be a form of guilt, an unwillingness to let those he loved see how far he's fallen to bring them back. Though given Emet's determination and 'it's not really murder' line in regards to being called out for the countless acts of genocide he's been party to it seems unlikely.

    I'm sure the team will come up with a lore reason down the line but for now I do honestly think it was a 'let's not create more work for ourselves' sort of situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    On that point, was it confirmed that it is made of his own aether, or is this an inference from it being a familiar (unless that in turn confirms it)?

    It's also worth recalling that whilst fragmented, some souls on the First do still possess the Echo, which could be the case with him. That, plus an unfamiliar fighting style, may have proved enough to temporarily allow him to hold off the WoL... until it wasn't enough.

    He is an interesting character and I am glad they avoided going down the "part Sin Eater" route for him, because I feel it'd cheapen it somewhat as a plot angle, given that it had already been used for Vauthry.
    The A rank Hurracan in Khoulsia is said to be made up of Ran'jit's father's aether, it is exactly the same as Ran'jit's serpent just bigger, this could be due to Ran'jit's father transferring more aether to it as he became a sin eater. So Ran'jit's serpent is just his aether made manifest with his martial style he learned from his father, so yea he truly fought us on his own power with no help which is actually really nice to hear, as it means ordinary mortals can have enough power to stand up to us if they undergo enough training/experience without needing to resort to magical merguffin like the resonant/echo/primal etc.

    Now whether it was a good thing it was a being born on the First rather than the Source that did this is debatable especially given the revelations from ShB that we were 8/14 complete at that point while Ran'ji was just 1/14.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enla View Post
    It could also be taken as a sign of ever present grief. If I was in his position, doomed to wander for hundreds upon hundreds of eras with the smallest hope that I might one day be reunited with my loved ones, I don't think I could stomach seeing false copies of them running about during what we know to be their last day. The weight of that grief alone would be too much to bear, particularly watching as loved ones happily went about the very same routine that would end in their deaths, and thus a more anonymous representation would be preferred. It could also be a form of guilt, an unwillingness to let those he loved see how far he's fallen to bring them back. Though given Emet's determination and 'it's not really murder' line in regards to being called out for the countless acts of genocide he's been party to it seems unlikely.

    I'm sure the team will come up with a lore reason down the line but for now I do honestly think it was a 'let's not create more work for ourselves' sort of situation.
    I would also agree with this since you notice his slouching became worse when he was in the city. Hythlodaeus dialog about the weight/burden while you saw him walk through the city especially hammered down that tone.

    It was a heartbreaking scene, but I think it was parallel to the tone in counterpart to us (WoL) he took the task alone because he felt it was his duty (but lot of it was he HAD to do it alone due to the circumstances). Whereas we the WoL had friends and were told that despite our Sin Eater predicament we have friends to help us endure it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enla View Post
    Though given Emet's determination and 'it's not really murder' line in regards to being called out for the countless acts of genocide he's been party to it seems unlikely.
    Probably going to slip off the forums again for a bit soon, but want to present the possibility real quick that Emet-Selch had to believe/tell himself that because the alternative is that he's been committing genocide against billions of actual people, all of whom are on some level still pieces of the Amaurotines he loves.

    He is doing whatever he believes necessary to bring them all back, but seriously. The alternative to the idea that it doesn't count as murder is that it does. There's no way he would have been able to avoid going insane under that reality.

    There's room to debate of course, but the "unreliable narrator" possibility is one way to interpret things and puts an interesting spin on his characterization.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alleluia View Post
    lol I saw them answer the Sabik question and was like "I know at least three people who will now be ecstatic for a month". XD
    Lmao Alleluia I was basically beside byself hyped when I saw that! Month is in fact 100% made. XD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    That answers two questions in one. Our souls are rejoined, and that means everyone - not just selected special ones.
    There could still be "special" souls. Everyone gets rejoined, but in the case of normal souls (the ones formed from the natural Lifestream cycle), they just gain more Aether (become "denser"). In the case of those whose souls are those of a Sundered Ancient (and therefore do not dissolve into the Lifestream), they gain another piece of a specific soul, rather than just more generic soulstuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaywalker View Post
    He is doing whatever he believes necessary to bring them all back, but seriously. The alternative to the idea that it doesn't count as murder is that it does. There's no way he would have been able to avoid going insane under that reality.
    I agree with this. He probably has a mantra he repeats to himself, every time he feels himself starting to form an attachment to one or more of these pitiful, ephemeral beings: "They aren't truly alive, they aren't real. Things will be better when they are whole - better for THEM, even. This is for the good of us all..."

    Especially NOW; the sunk cost fallacy is STRONG. To stop now would be unthinkable. Even if they were willing to acknowledge the murders they've committed, if they were to cut things off all those murders would have been in vain, cruel sacrifices for no purpose. Eight worlds full of life extinguished, and that doesn't even include the horrendous loss of life on the Source with each Rejoining. They may feel they OWE it to those lost to see things through - and each new murder is another obligation on the pile...
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