Can we talk about how mnk, drg, and blm are blatantly overpowered right now?

[Kabooa]

On that note, I see the switch from total DPS to raid DPS as something that's highly interesting in how it altered community mindset

I don't think it's switched all that much. It's "How gud I am". Seems like a pretty sour outlook, but fact of the matter is, the raid scene in any game is competitive, and having a ranking system provides impetus, wherever it's rooted (Self competition, inter-competition, end result, ego, whatever), to rank higher.

[SaitoHikari]

I don't think it's switched all that much. It's "How gud I am". Seems like a pretty sour outlook, but fact of the matter is, the raid scene in any game is competitive, and having a ranking system provides impetus, wherever it's rooted (Self competition, inter-competition, end result, ego, whatever), to rank higher.

Well, the 'how gud I am' mindset hasn't changed at all, that isn't something I intend to dispute.

What I was saying is that the reasons behind taking specific classes (and the community perception of said classes) changed. Again, if the old display was still in use, I guarantee you that people would still be calling Dancers overpowered for community-enforced reasons beyond SE's original intent, and that would have made it difficult to argue for adjustments to Dancer even if said adjustments could have been for non-raiding quality of life reasons. The 'raw DPS' classes also wouldn't be as readily accepted as they are now either - the way I see it, classes like Black Mage are actually in the same spot now as they were back in SB, what changed is that people are putting less emphasis on taking classes for their ability to inflate everyone else's numbers (since that doesn't really exist anymore outside of speed kills, and that's closer to a player skill metric rather than class balance).

[CrashofZenki]

Whatever they do with NIN, I just hope they dont touch our ogcd ninjutsu.. oof... Just the thought of it scares me. They already put so many nails in the coffin. GCD Ninjutsu gonna be the last nail to a dead class Imo. Probably great for casuals tho. Yay...

[Kabooa]

Whatever they do with NIN, I just hope they dont touch our ogcd ninjutsu.. oof... Just the thought of it scares me. They already put so many nails in the coffin. GCD Ninjutsu gonna be the last nail to a dead class Imo. Probably great for casuals tho. Yay...

Well given everyone on the forums is a casual, it sounds great to me.

[FuzzyFur]

I'm going to pipe up because I hope SE pays attention to these things.

From my perspective as a 2.0+ SMN main; I look at the state of difference between BLM and SMN and I'm in shock. The justifications for it are complete and utter crap.

DPS raise is a heavy tax to see a few more mechanics or maybe get that once in a 1000 savage clear because of a raise. Eden savage right now is so tight that a SMN or RDM having to complete the raise at all is probably a grounds for enrage. So what's the point. I say take it, I don't want it. I hardly even use it unless both healers go down and when that happens it's likely a wipe anyway. And in truth, this has always been the case to various degrees in raid/savage content.
No. Just No. Raise is given too much weight as a non-direct rDPS contributing metric. It's a novel "oh crap" button that usually results in not much of anything in high level encounters. If it's a high enough tax to send SMN to the bottom 3rd, I surrender that BS. You can have it.
It's value is in casual content, like Eureka and dungeons. Even then it's just a community QOL skill, nothing more.

If you take raise away (but I think even with it), there is ZERO reason my rDPS on SMN shouldn't be equal to or even greater than BLM whatsoever. And in terms of "knowing the fight" or "being a turret" I'd argue that with SMNs current rotation and sh--show of broken pet/demi mechanics, we have it harder than BLM ever did.

For the first time ever (and there were some low points), I feel like abandoning my all time main. And I'm not alone. I've put a lot of energy into being as exceptional at SMN as I can and I cannot be asked to do the same from the ground up on another job. Most importantly, I shouldn't feel like I need to.

So yes, at least from the caster perspective either BLM is to over-tuned or SMN is to under-tuned. And doing less DPS on dungeons trash pulls then most fells bad (I mean at least we had the AoE king title in the low times), but that's a whole different story.

[TcomJ]

Welcome to the game state where all utilities are nerfed and combo removed to non-existent. Everything is homogenized into damage ditching dps number and guess who become OP and who become unwanted.....-_-

[Zerathor]

snip.

Smn never should have even been close to where it has been in the past. You should never have provided equal damage contribution while having a raise, and especially not greater damage. Raise is valuable, it always has been, and it shouldn't have been free to have.

If you honestly believe it doesn't have value, where were you in stormblood when rdm did substantially less damage than smn? By your logic, you think they should have the same, sometimes "EVEN GREATER" damage than smn if things were reballanced to what you want, but you don't agree with that last bit, do you? You just want your Mary Sue smn back to being the best prog, speedrun, and open world/solo job and pretending it's balance.

[TcomJ]

Can we talk about how monk, dragoon, black mage, and, to a lesser extent, samurai are overpowered right now?

Currently i think that smn, mch, nin, brd, rdm, and dnc are all well balanced number wise, no matter which of those you choose to play they all bring roughly the same raid dps. The difference in dps between smn, the highest dps, and dnc, the lowest dps, is less than 300 raid dps.

For comparison, sam does 500 more raid dps than smn. Drg does 900 more raid dps than smn. Blm does 1000 more raid dps than smn. Mnk does a whopping 1200 more raid dps than smn.

In my opinion it would be much better for the balance of the game if every dps brought roughly the same amount of raid dps.

Source for dps numbers: https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...unt&dataset=90

Edit: Explanation for raid DPS vs personal dps

Great...even more homogenization. That will totally make the game more fun like what happen right now....not!

[Umsche]

Great...even more homogenization. That will totally make the game more fun like what happen right now....not!

Having all dps classes do the same damage does not necessarily mean they're all the same, they can be all different in terms of gameplay but all equally viable.

[Noctisnine]

I don't think any of those jobs need nerfs, samurai, ninja and summoner need buffs and some adjusts. Asking for nerfs is never the correct decision while buffing the rest will make everyone happy.