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    There's a major issue with the concept of "regaining our lost soul fragments" - they're other people.

    We could rejoin with Ardbert because he is conveniently dead already, but I can't see the ethics of seeking out and rejoining with the remaining, presumably-living individuals as being enjoyable or in line with the story. At very least it seems a time-consuming plot exercise to repeatedly introduce these individuals and justify why they have to merge with us - and not going through that would probably be worse.

    Plus it introduces even more shards and realities and takes ever more focus away from the world-building of the two we already have.
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    I mean if the remaining WoLs rejoined into an Ancient to cast down something like Zodiark, and it was the same ancient who summoned Hydaelyn to preserve new life...

    The Ancient would probably turn to Hydaelyn again and ask to be sundered because the Ancients' time is over and the worlds as they are now need their Warriors of Light. Hydaelyn sunders the Ancient, the WoLs are restored to their previous forms and go on to continue protecting their worlds.

    How would they be restored rather than just scattered into the Lifestream? I dunno, man, but there's lots of ways to get around that in lore.

    ....I seem to have derailed the thread, sorry OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    There's a major issue with the concept of "regaining our lost soul fragments" - they're other people.

    We could rejoin with Ardbert because he is conveniently dead already, but I can't see the ethics of seeking out and rejoining with the remaining, presumably-living individuals as being enjoyable or in line with the story. At very least it seems a time-consuming plot exercise to repeatedly introduce these individuals and justify why they have to merge with us - and not going through that would probably be worse.

    Plus it introduces even more shards and realities and takes ever more focus away from the world-building of the two we already have.
    Any future rejoinings we have with our other soul fragments will in most likelihood be consensual. Considering how Yoshi-P basically mentioned things were going to get frantic after 5.3, expect something to happen which will result in that happening naturally over the course of the next few expansions, WITHOUT going to other worlds. After all, Elidibus DID mention he was going to throw other WoL at us, I wouldn't put it past him to throw our other soul fragments at us. Meaning we fight, things get explained to them, some catastrophe ends up happening that can destroy all the shards and the source, and they proceed to willingly combine with us so we can stop it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Any future rejoinings we have with our other soul fragments will in most likelihood be consensual. Considering how Yoshi-P basically mentioned things were going to get frantic after 5.3, expect something to happen which will result in that happening naturally over the course of the next few expansions, WITHOUT going to other worlds. After all, Elidibus DID mention he was going to throw other WoL at us, I wouldn't put it past him to throw our other soul fragments at us. Meaning we fight, things get explained to them, some catastrophe ends up happening that can destroy all the shards and the source, and they proceed to willingly combine with us so we can stop it.
    There is also the possibility of those fragments being absorbed as a result of the WoL killing their other selves. Should be theoretically possible since they wouldn't be fighting on even footing anymore. That whole rejoining with Ardbert thing gives an edge up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Considering how Yoshi-P basically mentioned things were going to get frantic after 5.3
    I saw someone say that was meant to be translated as "the second half of Shadowbringers" which might mean patches or might be 5.0 itself. The story certainly got pretty frantic on major lore reveals in its second half.



    Quote Originally Posted by Absimiliard View Post
    There is also the possibility of those fragments being absorbed as a result of the WoL killing their other selves. Should be theoretically possible since they wouldn't be fighting on even footing anymore. That whole rejoining with Ardbert thing gives an edge up.
    It would be completely at odds with the ideals of the story and everything we've done so far. How could we possibly justify killing our other selves violently, in a narrative where the heroes place emphasis on the value of individuals, and on not sacrificing people for causes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    It would be completely at odds with the ideals of the story and everything we've done so far. How could we possibly justify killing our other selves violently, in a narrative where the heroes place emphasis on the value of individuals, and on not sacrificing people for causes?
    And yet innumerable NPCs have been sent to give their lives to create windows of opportunity for the Warrior of Light to act.
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