Saving the Void? (Time travel) - future expansion idea?

[Crushnight]

The voidsent also have several thousand years ahead of the sin eaters, so it is quite possible they were much the same the first few centuries after the flood of darkness. Given that the 13th Shard was wholly consumed it also may have sped things up quite a bit vs the partly consumed 1st too. The Holy Cow of Eureka is another example of a "sin eater" that is a fully sentient being, all be it not on the first.

Maybe it has something to do with the source perhaps with the barrier between the 13th being much weaker than other shards it might be affected more easily, was the Holy Cow always a sin eater or did we see it get transform while we fight it?

[xkazh]

...On a side note, we know Zodiark's prison is still there in 13th reflection..

That's not Zodiark's prison. I remember wondering if it was like, a really weird "sun" but if you face yourself towards it whilst in WoD and check your map, it's just the boss arena for the Cloud of Darkness.

[Edax]

That's not Zodiark's prison. I remember wondering if it was like, a really weird "sun" but if you face yourself towards it whilst in WoD and check your map, it's just the boss arena for the Cloud of Darkness.

A different perspective.

[Atamis]

I thought that WAS Cloud of Darkness and we kinda climb inside it to fight the queen puff herself (and got really lucky there was a platform)

[LineageRazor]

Now I haven't finished the respective storylines, but we have the Warrior of Light of the Void and the Oracle of Darkness of the Void still running around so it may imply that there's still a population under siege in the Thirteenth.

That would be really cool, if true! They would also have to be remarkably hardy, holding out for over ten thousand years in a place like the Void! I suspect, unfortunately, that most, if not all survivors were plucked from the doomed world and stored away for a rainy day by the Ascians, just as Unhulkai was.

I thought that WAS Cloud of Darkness and we kinda climb inside it to fight the queen puff herself (and got really lucky there was a platform)

It's kind of interesting that there's ANY platforms in the Void. With a name like "Void", you'd expect it to be pretty much empty. Maybe the stuff the Void is made of sensitive to manipulation; sort of like giving everyone a low degree of creation magic.

As for the Cloud herself, she's the top dog in the Voidsent heirarchy; maybe she keeps the platform around to use as a court for passing judgment on lesser Voidsent who are brought to trial before her.

[Zohar_Lahar]

The other day, I did World of Darkness in Duty Roulette, and at one point I glanced down at the bottom of the zone to see an orange haze at the very bottom. I wonder if that's the hyper-astral state the thirteenth became, analogous to the hyper-umbral Empty on the First. What's really weird is, you can see stars in the distance, but not the sun or the moon.

[Ayuhra]

My theory is that the Warrior of Light is going to have to regain the fragments of their soul, fusing with the fragments that existed in other worlds, as we did with Ardbert in the First. So the Thirteenth will DEFINITELY come up as part of that since we need to regain the fragment that was there. I don't think we'll be going there though.

...I think our reflection from the Thirteenth did NOT merge into the Source during a Calamity but still lives as Unukalhai. So how we'll deal with that, I don't know.

[Edax]

My theory is that the Warrior of Light is going to have to regain the fragments of their soul, fusing with the fragments that existed in other worlds, as we did with Ardbert in the First. So the Thirteenth will DEFINITELY come up as part of that since we need to regain the fragment that was there. I don't think we'll be going there though.

...I think our reflection from the Thirteenth did NOT merge into the Source during a Calamity but still lives as Unukalhai. So how we'll deal with that, I don't know.

Wouldn't the WoL lose their own racial identity and become an Ancient if they fully Rejoined their soul? From a meta perspective, I don't think the player base would be cool with losing their avatars.
The Ascians are using meat puppets to appear as Hyurs so maybe the WoL could just possess a fake copy of their old body? But this seems convoluted to me, I don't think FFXIV is actually taking the side that the Rejoining is actually a good thing. I get the overall impression that FFXIV celebrates diversity so that destroying other Warriors of Light to absorb the souls for more power would be what a villain would do. Heck I even remember a movie where Jet Li was playing the villain and was trying to do just that.

[Ayuhra]

Wouldn't the WoL lose their own racial identity and become an Ancient if they fully Rejoined their soul? From a meta perspective, I don't think the player base would be cool with losing their avatars.
The Ascians are using meat puppets to appear as Hyurs so maybe the WoL could just possess a fake copy of their old body? But this seems convoluted to me, I don't think FFXIV is actually taking the side that the Rejoining is actually a good thing. I get the overall impression that FFXIV celebrates diversity so that destroying other Warriors of Light to absorb the souls for more power would be what a villain would do. Heck I even remember a movie where Jet Li was playing the villain and was trying to do just that.

It might be that only an Ancient can destroy Zodiark and prevent a Rejoining of ALL souls. Sacrificing their own life or previous existence to preserve the existence of others seems like a WoL thing to do.... Regaining the fragments probably wouldn't outwardly transform the WoL either, Emet-Selch just saw the soul within the WoL in that scene. If they did need to possess a copy of their preferred form for some reason we do know Garlemald has a cloning machine and a fondness for studying people with the Echo.

Would the WoL regain "memories" of being an Ancient? I don't know on this one, I feel like they'd find a way to make it so they didn't. That way they'd still be the characters we imagine them as, not the Ancient their soul used to be.

How the lost fragments are regained is a murkier issue but there aren't that many of them left anyway. Unukalhai seems like the sort who'd do it willingly if it meant saving a world from a similar fate as what happened on the Thirteenth but his decision would also have to involve Elidibus somehow.

[Edax]

It might be that only an Ancient can destroy Zodiark and prevent a Rejoining of ALL souls.

I don't know why this would be the case. Ancients are one of many lifeforms. The Dragons and even Omega themselves don't even originate from this star, so I don't see what's special about the Ancients or Zodiark.

Sacrificing their own life or previous existence to preserve the existence of others seems like a WoL thing to do...

Sacrificing their own avatar is something the player would almost never do in an MMORPG so by extension I don't think that is something the WoL would do.

Regaining the fragments probably wouldn't outwardly transform the WoL either, Emet-Selch just saw the soul within the WoL in that scene.

While Varis maybe giving out misinformation, he nonetheless established that the Rejoining will destroy all races and merge them back into one. Since we don't have any information saying otherwise, I think this is the assumption we have to operate under for now.