Patch 5.05 Astrologian is still frustrating, stressful, and disappointing

[Crushnight]

I played AST from 70 to 80 before the 5.05 buffs.
It was fine. People are overreacting.

The OP has a few hyperboles in it but the complaint is reasonably well put
-The card system is too much work for not enough gain, say what you will about the old system at least it felt impactful
-There are too many ogcds to juggle to be as effective as you can be, this is tied into the card system, the numerous timers going on and Earthly star being the only one with a failsafe if you lose track while healing
-Neutral feels underwhelming, this is due to ast having lost it's increased healing on sects so our heals naturally became weaker (same with sch/whm losing Largesse but ast lost that too so we lost 2x the amount of potency increasing)
-Nocturnal being Nocturnal, this has always been an issue since inception, Diurnal has always been better, ShB just put more shade on it
-CU is weak and pathetic and needs a buff something most ast believe it should

Now i do not agree with OP on everything but they put forward a good argument why they are not liking ast atm, the stuff i added in my post are direct problems i have ast.

But i am going to contest you on ast was fine pre 5.05, it was not it was very close to launch 3.0 ast in terms of how undertuned it was the 5.05 buffs made it go from barely ok to 'its fine' status like the other healers, which ofc have their own issues as well. Nothing here has been an overreaction apart from the finger gymnastics but to get the best opener you kinda do need to do that but it quietens down after that as does most dps jobs (opener is always busiest part then when buffs realign so for Ast 6 mins in), i mean we could always open another thread whenever ast gets a buff whm would be made completely redundant again :P

Now take this with a grain of salt but if the devs followed your line of reasoning with, Ast was fine pre 5.05, how bad do you think it would be in savage? bare in mind after the buffs Ast is still behind Whm and Sch in usuability(3-4 weeks in), providing rDPS(not personal its utility is still behind whm's pure dps and sch's mix), it can heal good(when it used to be the worse at it).

It paints you as someone who is blindly going along with whatever despite glaring issues and trying to downplay people's concerns with a job that needs to be looked at more (Whm and Sch for that matter too).

[Arale]

Neutral feels underwhelming, this is due to ast having lost it's increased healing on sects so our heals naturally became weaker (same with sch/whm losing Largesse but ast lost that too so we lost 2x the amount of potency increasing)

Quick note, but I recall them buffing most of AST's base potencies to make up for the sect healing loss when ShB rolled out. I also have to disagree with everyone here saying Neutral Sect is underwhelming; it's by far the best of the 80 healer abilities IMO. Stacks with SCH's shields, provides a beefy regen, and can be reapplied. Aspected Benefic becomes hilariously strong because of it, and Aspected Heilos can shield from a respectable amount of damage and top everyone off at the same time. Other healers have to use 2 abilities to get those results from 1 cast, or more. I would take it over Temperance any day, considering how many times someone would need to take damage that's reduced by 10% to equal the amount that Neutral Sect would outright absorb, or Consolation from Seraph even.

[AmeliaVerves]

The cards could literally just be "throw confetti into the air" and I'd still prefer it over whm, it's more engaging to have something outside of heals and dps to manage, regardless of how much it contributes. Some people prefer not being a glare mage, irregardless of actual contribution.

Not to mention, the cards arent the only thing ast brings now. It brings its ogcd heals as well, while the AST themself have the awesome ability to use ogcds without loosing damage potency thanks to Malefic's cast time. While yeah their personal dps isnt the highest, they are def capable enough to minimize their cohealer gcd healing without loosing to much of their own.

That is fair and fine, but doesn't change the fact that Ast potencies are flat out inferior to Whm and there is, apart from having more fun to play the class, literally no reason to bring Ast instead of Whm.
As I said it doesn't matter much if you are just playing casually, but for more competetive gameplay this is an actual issue.

Neutral Sect

I do agree that the idea of Neutral Sect is really good and an obv choice for Ast, but I really dislike the duration and CD.

You get: 20s of both sects on your aspected Skills every 2min, but Asts whole skillset prevents you from spamming GCD heals. So why the long duration?! + You obv don't want to spam asp. Helios bc you why would you want to overwrite the buffed HoT it applies instead of letting it work on its own?

The skill could be much better with a much shorter duration (say 10s, more than enough for both 1 asp. Helios and 2 asp. Benefic) and therefore a shorter CD. But I guess they can't do this because all healers need to have a strong 2min skill that lasts 20s. It does work well for Sch and Whm, bc the Seraph is just a buffed version of your regular fairy and Temperance boosts your Lily heals which you mainly use for healing anyways, but the concept is just lackluster for Ast and all their oGCD tools.

[Arale]

That is fair and fine, but doesn't change the fact that Ast potencies are flat out inferior to Whm and there is, apart from having more fun to play the class, literally no reason to bring Ast instead of Whm.
As I said it doesn't matter much if you are just playing casually, but for more competetive gameplay this is an actual issue.






I do agree that the idea of Neutral Sect is really good and an obv choice for Ast, but I really dislike the duration and CD.

You get: 20s of both sects on your aspected Skills every 2min, but Asts whole skillset prevents you from spamming GCD heals. So why the long duration?! + You obv don't want to spam asp. Helios bc you why would you want to overwrite the buffed HoT it applies instead of letting it work on its own?

The skill could be much better with a much shorter duration (say 10s, more than enough for both 1 asp. Helios and 2 asp. Benefic) and therefore a shorter CD. But I guess they can't do this because all healers need to have a strong 2min skill that lasts 20s. It does work well for Sch and Whm, bc the Seraph is just a buffed version of your regular fairy and Temperance boosts your Lily heals which you mainly use for healing anyways, but the concept is just lackluster for Ast and all their oGCD tools.

But it's easy to weave it in between casts of dps, or cards, or other healing abilities. The duration may be a bit long, but I've reshielded my group at the end of it's cast so that they can absorb the next mechanic and regen a little after. Some AoE's come in waves as well. E1S has several instances where you get whacked with 2 heavy raid wide damage abilities. Hell, I often provide most of the healing for Paradise Regained because the duration of N.Sect is enough that you can shield the tank lasers, then the delta buddy stack, and one final cast for the altered delta mechanic itself. While I will concede that using it once and leaving it does feel kind of whatever, the instances where I do that don't seem to be very often. I'll either weave a NA.Nenefic on the tank and continue casting. Just my 2c honestly.

[AmeliaVerves]

But it's easy to weave it in between casts of dps, or cards, or other healing abilities. The duration may be a bit long, but I've reshielded my group at the end of it's cast so that they can absorb the next mechanic and regen a little after. Some AoE's come in waves as well. E1S has several instances where you get whacked with 2 heavy raid wide damage abilities. Hell, I often provide most of the healing for Paradise Regained because the duration of N.Sect is enough that you can shield the tank lasers, then the delta buddy stack, and one final cast for the altered delta mechanic itself. While I will concede that using it once and leaving it does feel kind of whatever, the instances where I do that don't seem to be very often. I'll either weave a NA.Nenefic on the tank and continue casting. Just my 2c honestly.

I guess the skill is fine for most occasions and players, but take whatever I say with a tiny grain of salt, because I see everything in the context of a very high level of optimisation.
While you ofc can use several GCDs during the Neutral Sect window, you obviously don't want that when trying to maximize your DPS output, so ye. Not a big fan personally. ^^'

I share the sentiment. Also, don't our cards' and Divination buff count as our dps as well? Those along with Malefic and Combust surely count for our personal dps, right?

Ast is still inferior to Whm rDPS and pDPS wise. It will probably change later in the expansion when DPS do more damage so the % buffs of the cards give out exponantially more damage too, but only time will tell.

[Arale]

I guess the skill is fine for most occasions and players, but take whatever I say with a tiny grain of salt, because I see everything in the context of a very high level of optimisation.
While you ofc can use several GCDs during the Neutral Sect window, you obviously don't want that when trying to maximize your DPS output, so ye. Not a big fan personally. ^^'



Ast is still inferior to Whm rDPS and pDPS wise. It will probably change later in the expansion when DPS do more damage so the % buffs of the cards give out exponantially more damage too, but only time will tell.

Normally I'd agree, but AST is the master at weaving so I feel like I'd lose less DPS throwing in a few heals vs a WHM who has to stop casting Glare in order to use one of their GCD heals. This is coming from an omnihealer perspective, so it might just be nuance for me at that point.

Inferior now yes, sadly. But %'s are tricky, and people have done the math. Eventually we will gain from everyone getting better gear, etc. This also doesn't factor in any potency buffs from cards that may happen. Given all the complaining, concerns and even some vitriol around here, I would be super surprised if they didn't do something about Divination at the very least.