So, can we just ban damage meters already.

[HyoMinPark]

My own experiences are kind of what I have to go with. The solution is reporting them; everything else is just feedback and opinion. I'm of course going to speak to my experiences, and you're free to speak to yours.

I still disagree with you branding the entire community as bad based off of a few bad apples that you happened to run into. That’s a sweeping generalization if I’ve ever seen one. I’m not denying jerks exist, but they’re hardly a majority in the community.

If you ever see things like this happen I heavily encourage you to report it as it IS already a bannable offense. Even if someone mentions that they use parsers that is enough ground to report them on, which is a rule that is basically there in place to make it easier to ban people for harassing people over parsers. The only reason why SE looks through the fingers on this one if no harassment is involved is because damage meters are actually very helpful for static raid groups. I do not by necessity agree with this, but I can understand where they are coming from, and since they made it easier to hide logs at FFlogs even I have become warmer towards its use.

So yes, what you ask for is already, thankfully, a thing and I encourage you to use it to make the community a better place if you see it happen (I know I try to, however, I have never seen it happen, even in high-level content).

This is incorrect—GMs punish if parsers are mentioned even if no harassment took place because it is still a violation of the “no third-party tools” clause in the ToS. The developers tolerate parsers because they understand high-end players value them in raids. But they still don’t like them being brought up in chat in any way (non-harassing or harassing), and give GMs full levy to dish out punishment. That’s why people advise to stick to the “don’t ask, don’t tell”; because even innocent comments such as telling someone who asks for their numbers their numbers gets people in trouble.

There was actually a thread on here a couple months back about a person who was pulled into GM Gaol and given a temp ban for posting numbers in chat to a player who explicitly asked how they were doing. There was no harassment involved, yet someone still reported them because “omg parser bad”.

[Lunavi]

This is incorrect—GMs punish if parsers are mentioned even if no harassment took place because it is still a violation of the “no third-party tools” clause in the ToS. The developers tolerate parsers because they understand high-end players value them in raids. But they still don’t like them being brought up in chat in any way (non-harassing or harassing), and give GMs full levy to dish out punishment. That’s why people advise to stick to the “don’t ask, don’t tell”; because even innocent comments such as telling someone who asks for their numbers their numbers gets people in trouble.

There was actually a thread on here a couple months back about a person who was pulled into GM Gaol and given a temp ban for posting numbers in chat to a player who explicitly asked how they were doing. There was no harassment involved, yet someone still reported them because “omg parser bad”.

Yes, because they have to as it is a rule. However, due to the extreme length they go to discredit proof of this rule when people for example point out that streamers uses parses makes me inclined to believe that the rule is there to prevent harassment primarily.

[Ronduwil]

There was actually a thread on here a couple months back about a person who was pulled into GM Gaol and given a temp ban for posting numbers in chat to a player who explicitly asked how they were doing. There was no harassment involved, yet someone still reported them because “omg parser bad”.

If it was posted in chat, then it was potentially harassment, unintended or not. Why didn't he PM the numbers to the player who asked for them?