The 5.X era Relic Weapons

[RoyalBeef]

This sounds a bit redundant when you can just equip whatever weapon is BiS and glam the relic over it...

Techanically yes, but wouldnt it feel better to get your relic and know that it's bis, and not just a fancy glam thats completely useless otherwise? Why would any raider that doesnt care about glams ever do their relic? Simple answer: They wouldn't. Now if the relic + savage aug would be 5 ilvls above the savage weapon, they surely would start caring about relic.

First step in improving relics is to make them desirable for more than just playing dress up, imo.

[Nariel]

Relics are not an alternative to crafted weapons and for sure not an alternative to savage weapons until the last patch cycle of the expansion. If anything, relics are an alternative to extreme primal weapons. But in general, are irrelevant most of the expansion life cycle. If SE is not willing to make exclusive, and enjoyable, content for relics, why even bother? SE can put the extra skins in any other content.

Enjoyable is the key word !

I'm not even asking for the kind of enjoyment the first ever step was (looking for an old relic in a beastman camp, repair it with hydra and chimera component, infuse it with primal power etc) that was an epic quest worthy of a relic weapon, but I'd get more luck at winning the mega cacpot 10 time in a row than seing this again...

But at least, for the love of Hydaelyn no more fate for the entire expansion. I mean, one step is ok but all of them ? Please, they can do better than this.

[Seraphor]

Techanically yes, but wouldnt it feel better to get your relic and know that it's bis, and not just a fancy glam thats completely useless otherwise? Why would any raider that doesnt care about glams ever do their relic? Simple answer: They wouldn't. Now if the relic + savage aug would be 5 ilvls above the savage weapon, they surely would start caring about relic.

First step in improving relics is to make them desirable for more than just playing dress up, imo.

Feel better? Sure.
But this would make both Relic AND Savage weapon essential and the objectively best option by far.
Whereas they're meant to serve as alternative routes to the top ilvl gear.

[Eldevern]

I wonder how they will make Eureka 1.0 a bit lively since it is pretty dead. If they do a Eureka 2.0, they will have to do some changes anyway since it is a dead content as soon as there is a new extension released. ARR and HW are still doable solo (still grindy) when Eureka is kinda complicated to do solo for a new player and very few people are motivated to do it (apart of little groups that do it for gils grinding and purposely ignore other players).

[Duskane]

everything ends up being glamor at some point and if you make relics more desirable as in the best thing kinda takes a bit away from savage
Sure relics end up being BiS if youve done it right(or got lucky in pyros) but then they are glamor when expansion drops 3 months later

there was also plenty of raiders getting the weapon for BA since the elemental boost was crazy

[RoyalBeef]

Feel better? Sure.
But this would make both Relic AND Savage weapon essential and the objectively best option by far.
Whereas they're meant to serve as alternative routes to the top ilvl gear.

With crafted, Ex, tomestone gear...why would you need yet another alternative way to obtain a weapon that most players wont end up bothering with bc it will be outdated in 2 weeks anyway. Why not make it an ongoing quest related to content you are doing anyway, and as long as you followed the quest up to that point, rewards you with a weapon that is slightly better than the one you can obtain by the content you're doing?

Simple example: Eden normal weapon is ilvl460. Lets assume we had a relic that was ilvl 455. Would be useless right of the bat. Now what if we had a quest that was aboult melting the ilvl460 plus some boss drops or whatever into an augemtation that makes the relic ilvl 465. You just progressed naturally, got the best possible weapon you can get at that moment (assuming you dont do savage), and got rewarded for doing the relic quests up to that point, over someone who didn't, and thus only has the ilvl460 weapon.

Alternative routes are fine, but they boil down to: Which one is the best statwise? Get that, skip everything else. The all equal statwise? get the one that's easiest to get, skip everything else.

[Maero]

Bring back fighting Primals or the like for Relic.

If they insist on doing Eureka like place again, give us options. Eureka for many of us is just bleeeh
Sure the doing fates and same dungeons over and over was not exactly fun but would honestly take it over Eureka.
Just give us something that a player could make some progress on their own which is what Relic should be about (and past Relics were about)

[RoyalBeef]

everything ends up being glamor at some point and if you make relics more desirable as in the best thing kinda takes a bit away from savage

You would have to upgrade it to make it better than savage. So the final step would involve having to own the savage weapon and some other drops to complete the quest. Savage would still be as desirable as before bc you'd need it cleared and the weapon completed to then be able to proceed and make your relic BiS again.
You could even tie that final quest step to having to fight a unique boss thats even more crazy than savage. Make it so that this special duty can only be started by people who are on the final step of the quest, and in addition to the final drop they get from it it also drops a chest with 1-2 cool unique items that can't be obtained by other means so people would love to join you in your tries. Give people reason to get together and do exciting stuff for desirable loot, it's not rocket science ^^

[SummonerSenah]

I really just want to see better weapon design for the relics. Most steps of the relics in Stormblood were either boring or just flat out ugly IMO. Getting a weapon with good stats was too rng and they weren't worth it for glamour so I didn't get any besides the first one, which I mostly only finished so that I could see the rest of the Eureka story.

[TwiibieTwuu]

I really like How simple in design some of the 80 weathered weapons turned out. I'm not a big fan of overly complex looking flashy weapons. A small simple glow is nice on some weapons though. Just hope the full relic weapons don't look all weird and crazy like the Eureka weapons.