So, can we just ban damage meters already.

[HyoMinPark]

Simply stating "DPS pull your weight" or simply stating "DPS - do more damage" IS harrassement.

If you’re asking for a DPS to deal damage—which is their primary job—how is that harassment? Asking a DPS to AOE, apply DoTs, do a basic rotation, or fulfill any aspect of their basic role isn’t harassment. It’s asking for them to do the job they queued up as.

This is like saying “tank - hold aggro” or “tank - use cooldowns” or “healer, please heal” is harassment. You’re asking for a person to fulfill a basic role that they’re clearly not fulfilling. It’s very easy to tell if DPS aren’t pulling their weight when things take forever and a day to die. Parsers aren’t needed to tell when things are dying slowly.

[Saintly]

Unless SE offers something with the same current freedoms as 3rd party parsers, why would anyone switch?

You also forget the competitive aspect of FFLogs, which would still require a 3rd party parser.

You actually make a completely solid point.
Oh well, lets hope that SE gonna finally give up and accept that parsing is here to stay.

[Uliq]

You actually make a completely solid point.
Oh well, lets hope that SE gonna finally give up and accept that parsing is here to stay.

They don't care if you parse or not. They care if you use your parsing to directly cause toxicity in the community. If they cared about parse use everyone who mentioned they used one would be banned even in this forum. Searching all pot with the word Parse is simple enough.

[Saintly]

They don't care if you parse or not. They care if you use your parsing to directly cause toxicity in the community. If they cared about parse use everyone who mentioned they used one would be banned even in this forum. Searching all pot with the word Parse is simple enough.

Allow me to rephrase then.
Lets hope that SE gonna finally give up and accept that there's nothing toxic about talking why a group failing DPS checks in optional content thats not required for MSQ.

[Rivxkobe]

Simply stating "DPS pull your weight" or simply stating "DPS - do more damage" IS harrassement.

How?

I'm not twisting your words, I am discussing your point, I'm stating your sentence was overly vague.

Not what you did at all. If it was you would have said: "your post is vague". Instead, you insinuated I said calling someone bad or that they should unsub wasn't harassment.

There's a million ways to help someone they need to improve, some that could be considered harrasement.

This depends on each individual person and, honestly, a lot of it isn't worth reporting even if you take it the wrong way.

The medium is the message- it matters more how you deliver a message rather than the point you actually want to make.

Yes. Exactly.

Umm, where did I say it wasn't?

Harassement has more to do with you delivered the message rather than the message expressed.

Again, yes. But I never said "it is all the same" or anything. I was stating that stating what I listed is not harassment. I didn't think I needed to clarify that insulting someone or attacking them is harassment.

No one is getting reported for politely asking a tank to use tank stance.

They are though. Rarely, probably, but it happens.

Someone doing poor DPS doesn't give you the right to tell them to put their weight in whatever format you feel is appropriate.

Yes it does. I am playing too and if they are dragging the team down or being carried because they are spamming one move or just auto-attacking I have a right to complain.

If anything, I am enhancing your statement by clarifying that there are limits to how you convey a message.

Rather than twist your words, I improved them by adding clarity.

LMAO!

Ok.

Not sure how stating that what I said, that telling someone that they need to do more damage or carry their weight or that you want to carry them is not harassment, was the same as saying "you are bad, you aren't doing enough dps, unsub" is not harassment is enhancing my point. Especially when you didn't state that I was being vague or that you were expanding my point or clarifying things for people who may be confused.

[Forever_Learning]

My first sentence was "Simply stating "DPS pull your weight" or simply stating "DPS - do more damage" IS harrassement."

My response is that simply stating that is harrassement. I also didn't mention you personally. I stated that simply stating that sentence in isolation is harassment.

You seem kinda triggered and basically agreeing with everything I said, so I would recommend understanding that I wasn't attacking you, but rather the notion that any statement can be thrown out if the DPS is bad.

[Alexandre_Noireau]

No we can't. I like to know how im performing.

[Komarimono]

My first sentence was "Simply stating "DPS pull your weight" or simply stating "DPS - do more damage" IS harrassement."

My response is that simply stating that is harrassement. I also didn't mention you personally. I stated that simply stating that sentence in isolation is harassment.

You seem kinda triggered and basically agreeing with everything I said, so I would recommend understanding that I wasn't attacking you, but rather the notion that any statement can be thrown out if the DPS is bad.

I'm not triggered, I'm far too old for that, I grew up in a generation of respect and no safe places. You are the one acting as such though, flying those white knight colors and parading as in as the defender of the down trodden. I was simply stating my opinions and some facts. I never implied in any of my posts that I was being attacked either, rather confusing how you came to that conclusion.

I still stand by my statement that if someone takes offense to something so trivial and tiny in those passing seconds of their life, they need to stop playing and figure out why they got offended or hurt, then realize it was pointless to be offended or hurt in the first place.

[Granyala]

My first sentence was "Simply stating "DPS pull your weight" or simply stating "DPS - do more damage" IS harrassement."
My response is that simply stating that is harrassement.

I think you need to read up on the definition of "harassment".
Stating a simple fact is not and never will be considered harassment as long as the fact is conveyed in a non insulting manner.

If the boss wipes the floor with your rear end due to enrage, the BOSS ITSELF (I guess you consider that harassment too. :O )is already telling you that DPS players need to step up their game. Technically you don't need another player to spell it out for you.

[Maero]

Sounds like you are generalizing the entire community because of a few bad runs?
Learn from it and move on, seldom do i encounter rude jerks and the likes and i have been playing this game for around 6 years.

And no offence but based on some of your responses to others here that have offered opinions, you must also take responsibility for the outcome.