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  1. #41
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    Paladin has no utility - The you list a whole bunch of utility skills.
    PLD lore is that they are a guard, they shouldn't do AOE. - Don't know how your gonna guard someone from 20 brigands running at them without it.
    PLD should have spells but not offensive ones? - what...

    You obviously have an idea of what you want a Paladin to be, but it's not the "Final Fantasy" iteration of it. Paladin in it's current state, plays how they have designed FF Paladins over the years. If you don't like it, then that's fair enough you can have your opinion, but the vast majority of people like it the way it is.

    Also the way you interact with people in this thread is disgusting, maybe don't be so condescending and confrontation and people will be more likely to listen to you.
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  2. #42
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    Chloe Lehideux
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    I suggest OP to lvl up PLD up to 80 lvl at least before making such a silly statements.

    It feels pretty horrible to play under 75 lvl, it gets better at 80 when PLD gets everything he needs, no casting time on spells, confiteur, atonement etc. I promise PLD gets 100% better once you lvl it up to max.

    @edit
    Btw, maybe you should try out playing a healer if you like to use utility and etc stuff? Healers are in demand, they get adventure in need very often.
    SE will never deliver a full utility tank, dps is a essential part of tank design right now.
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    Last edited by Nedkel; 08-16-2019 at 01:50 AM.

  3. #43
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    Cassandria Everfree
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    Friendly reminder its not called paladin in the JP client. ナイト is Knight. The localization team just bamboozled you because Paladins are a staple thing in western games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atamis View Post
    Friendly reminder its not called paladin in the JP client. ナイト is Knight. The localization team just bamboozled you because Paladins are a staple thing in western games.
    I want to be a Knight. :c
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    Atheros Gaian
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    OK, ok. Sorry OP but your not looking at Paladin as what it is actually supposed to be thematically. Paladin isn't paladin in this game. Paladin is Gladiator. That is what it is supposed to be and nothing more. The title Paladin was a bad choice to give the class lore wise altogether. It isn't scripted, storied or designed to be a shield tank. It's supposed to an offensive attacker with a shield for personal defense. Taking it into the whole shtick of what an actual Paladin does in Heavensward and further with abilities like Divine Veil and all the holy moves I can see where your misunderstanding comes from. But Paladins aren't holy rightful protectors in this game.

    Also. They can't give a class too much tankiness because it would cause healers to become irrelevant so in keeping with balance they limit your shields. Now would you rather have a hotbar full of 1 hit defense buffs or mitigation tools that mitigate like 1% dmg for 2 seconds?
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    Striving for perfection is the path to one's downfall. 'Tis the paradox of the immaculate carrot. | Jah Bless. One God, One Aim, and One Destiny - Marcus Garvey.
    Until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned, everywhere is war - Ras Tafari.

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    Knight would have been a lot better localization than Paladin. For me Paladin has always been influenced by a combination of Dungeons & Dragons where you’re all about being super-judgemental to the history of the crusades which is... even worse...

    Knight is a neutral term that, fully fits the theme of what the Paladins in Ul’dah do.
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    Striving for perfection is the path to one's downfall. 'Tis the paradox of the immaculate carrot. | Jah Bless. One God, One Aim, and One Destiny - Marcus Garvey.
    Until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned, everywhere is war - Ras Tafari.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    I want to be a Knight. :c
    Then be a Dark Knight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atamis View Post
    Friendly reminder its not called paladin in the JP client. ナイト is Knight. The localization team just bamboozled you because Paladins are a staple thing in western games.
    Paladin is a high ranking knight though. Localization just took the literal name for the class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealQuah View Post
    Paladin has no utility - The you list a whole bunch of utility skills.
    PLD lore is that they are a guard, they shouldn't do AOE. - Don't know how your gonna guard someone from 20 brigands running at them without it.
    PLD should have spells but not offensive ones? - what...

    You obviously have an idea of what you want a Paladin to be, but it's not the "Final Fantasy" iteration of it. Paladin in it's current state, plays how they have designed FF Paladins over the years. If you don't like it, then that's fair enough you can have your opinion, but the vast majority of people like it the way it is.

    Also the way you interact with people in this thread is disgusting, maybe don't be so condescending and confrontation and people will be more likely to listen to you.
    - Paladin HAD a much more utility, than he has now
    - I've never said we don't need AoE, but I've said that Confiteor is out of place, just like the any damaging SPELL we have now. SE could give us much more than this, in field of utility or even damage, instead of AoE spells when we already have a decent damage AoE physical rotation. READ WHAT I SAY, and only then write your answer.
    - Paladin can have offensive spells if they will fit thematicaly and will fit in his rotation. Now they don't. We simply spent all our mana in spells, then recover it back via physical rotation to spent again to zero. You know what that is? Bad and lame design. It's bad because it forses to spend one of our resources to full only to do damage, that already there. If they wanted PLD to do magick damage so bad they could've give us some REALY COOL ability on 20-30 sec. CD. Not this.
    - The way i treat people is the way I am. You don't like it? Can''t help it. I'm as polite as I can be. And you/me/he/she can't be liked be everyone.
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