So, can we just ban damage meters already.

[Laphael]

Anyways, garbage communities and things like damage meters just don't mix well. I understand them for personal use and progression stuff, but any mention of your dumb little meters in a random MSQ dungeon should be bannable.

It is, just report.
Or is your story exaggerated and he didn´t mention a dmg meter?

[Goji1639]

It is, just report.
Or is your story exaggerated and he didn´t mention a dmg meter?

They don't specifically mention a damage meter; they go after people based on information you'd need a damage meter to know.

[Vidu]

They don't specifically mention a damage meter; they go after people based on information you'd need a damage meter to know.

You'd be surprised by how much someone who watches castbars, buffs, dots etc. can tell about your performance without needing a damage meter. You dont need to tell that a dps whos only single targeting deals less damage than the healer whos AoEing and the like. If you die to a mechanic that you could have avoided that will also bring your dps down, with it being your fault.

I'd also strongly advice you to get a cheap keyboard for your PS4 so you can communicate with your party - the very least you should do is write yourself a macro informing your party that you're on PS4 and cant type. My personal police is that if I dont get a response from someone in chat, after specifically asking them a question or adressing them directly, I'll assume they're a bot or that they indeed bought the character and havent even figured out how to use a chat yet.

While harrassment, specially the kind that involves directly bringing up parsers, isnt okay and already a reportable offense, your story doesnt really sound like that was the problem and I've never seen anyone being harrassed over parsing-numbers in a dungeon. But I have seen and pointed out myself obvious mistakes people made or asked them to use certain skills - and apparently some people already take that as harrassment...

[Goji1639]

You'd be surprised by how much someone who watches castbars, buffs, dots etc. can tell about your performance without needing a damage meter. You dont need to tell that a dps whos only single targeting deals less damage than the healer whos AoEing and the like. If you die to a mechanic that you could have avoided that will also bring your dps down, with it being your fault.

I'd also strongly advice you to get a cheap keyboard for your PS4 so you can communicate with your party - the very least you should do is write yourself a macro informing your party that you're on PS4 and cant type. My personal police is that if I dont get a response from someone in chat, after specifically asking them a question or adressing them directly, I'll assume they're a bot or that they indeed bought the character and havent even figured out how to use a chat yet.

While harrassment, specially the kind that involves directly bringing up parsers, isnt okay and already a reportable offense, your story doesnt really sound like that was the problem and I've never seen anyone being harrassed over parsing-numbers in a dungeon. But I have seen and pointed out myself obvious mistakes people made or asked them to use certain skills - and apparently some people already take that as harrassment...

Well, in my individual scenario in the OP I think the meter use was pretty obvious. It was a boss fight, I died early and the other DPS made a stink about my damage being lower than the healers, seemingly not even realizing I died. Hard to imagine he was just taking a very strong account of visual cues.

As for all the other random instances I've seen, I suppose it's possible they're not all meter related. The comments are never "you should try doing this," it's always just a stupid little jape about how their damage sucks, they're not contributing, being carried, must've bought their character, etc.

[Vidu]

Well, in my individual scenario in the OP I think the meter use was pretty obvious. It was a boss fight, I died early and the other DPS made a stink about my damage being lower than the healers, seemingly not even realizing I died. Hard to imagine he was just taking a very strong account of visual cues.

As for all the other random instances I've seen, I suppose it's possible they're not all meter related. The comments are never "you should try doing this," it's always just a stupid little jape about how their damage sucks or they're not contributing, being carried, must've bought their character, etc.

Well, if you died its actually the most obvious scenario of you dealing less damage than the healer, even without a parser running - dead = no damage at all. If you did to a mechanic you could have avoided or dealt with incorrectly, that is on you. Refsuing to communicate with your party makes matters a lot worse, because its even more frustrating for them if they cant be sure if they're playing with a bot or troll or someone who did pay their way to that dungeon right now.

Harrassment is reportable and it would obviously be prefered if everyone just gave friendly advice, but at a certain point that seems to be a joke... I dont know what dunegons you're having in mind but I recently explained to a level 80 RDM in a level 80 dungeon to use their AoE-rotation. And I kinda regret not just silently removing them from the party by now.

[Goji1639]

Well, if you died its actually the most obvious scenario of you dealing less damage than the healer, even without a parser running - dead = no damage at all. If you did to a mechanic you could have avoided or dealt with incorrectly, that is on you. Refsuing to communicate with your party makes matters a lot worse, because its even more frustrating for them if they cant be sure if they're playing with a bot or troll or someone who did pay their way to that dungeon right now.

Harrassment is reportable and it would obviously be prefered if everyone just gave friendly advice, but at a certain point that seems to be a joke... I dont know what dunegons you're having in mind but I recently explained to a level 80 RDM in a level 80 dungeon to use their AoE-rotation. And I kinda regret not just silently removing them from the party by now.

Again, it was like a level 40 something MSQ dungeon and my first run. I died to a mechanic; the boss died anyways; the other DPS decided to get condescending because he saw my damage was lower than the healers.

Specific advice I'm fine with. Just throwing a "you suck" out there I'm not fine with; and I feel like the only reason anyone would even mention damage in a 40 something MSQ dungeon is to insult someone.

[Vidu]

Again, it was like a level 40 something MSQ dungeon and my first run. I died to a mechanic; the boss died anyways; the other DPS decided to get condescending because he saw my damage was lower than the healers.

Specific advice I'm fine with. Just throwing a "you suck" out there I'm not fine with; and I feel like the only reason anyone would even mention damage in a 40 something MSQ dungeon is to insult someone.

Here is specific advice then: Communicate that you're new and would welcome any advice to your party. Dont hide behind "I'm on PS4, I cant chat" and then complain about a community that you're not even engaging in.

You will meet unpleasent people - in Eorzea, in real life, everywhere. But its not parsers that make them unpleasent people and as I pointed out already: You dont even need a parser to point out that someone isnt playing very good. I dont know if that guy had a parser or not but he certainly didnt need one to tell that you died and he could have just as easly gone on about how bad you've been doing for not doing mechanics correctly.
You're seriously targeting the wrong crowd here...

If you're actually looking to improve the run then offer advice. "UR Not carrying ur weight!" is a completely useless thing to throw out there. You know it's useless and you know why you're doing it.

At a certain point someone shouldnt have been told how to play their job anymore. You are responsible for that yourself. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but no one should have to explain anything to anyone past level 30. Its nice when people to do, but telling someone that they need to improve, even if you dont (or maybe cant) tell them how to do that should be enough for that person to look into their playstyle.

Personally I've given friendly advice that got ignored or responded to with "you dont pay my sub!!!" so often that I'm trying to refrain from it by now and either finish the run in silence or initiate a vote-kick to remove the person who didnt learn how to play their job after 60+ levels. Those people will never know that they're actually a burden to everyone else - I ask you... is that really better?

[Laphael]

They don't specifically mention a damage meter; they go after people based on information you'd need a damage meter to know.

You can see pretty good, if someone is for example not aoeing. Or if mobs are dieing far to slow.