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  1. #231
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenorai View Post
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    In fairness, I really really got the impression that when he fused with the tower he became functionally immortal/stopped aging. I think he comments at one point that he is much older than he looks.

    Right now he is technically well over 100 years old. IIRC he said he started on the Crystarium just a little after the flood. I'm not quite willing to buy the no wrinkles (or any red hair at all left) if magic is not involved lol. This seems a little bit like the kind of logic that comes up with vampire age gaps.

    He's mentally super old, but physically at this point his age seems to just be "I'M A CRYSTAL" imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenorai View Post
    He's an old man; like he's considered a grandfather to the captain of the guard, who comes across as much older as our WoL. Miqo'te also have the life expectancy of 50. The greying hair is probably the sign that he's on the way out. I don't think he can age anymore due to the tower - or rather the tower would slowly take over him. If I remember he's the one who created the crystarium settlement/city. So, he's probably been there for a good 30/40+ years.

    So yeah, he's an old man. Just not physically old looking in our terms. I don't think elderly Mi'qote actually exist, they do not have an old 'wizened' face. If he was to actually join us it would be the younger version who hasn't matured to this degree and will have a different personality as well due to the lack of experience. I don't think the one on the first would leave the people of the crystarium. He knows all too well that eventually, he'll probably die - which is sad, but I hope he does have a good ending if he does die.
    Oh I see, I didn't realise the Miqo'te lifespan was that short. I guess that explains why he still looks so young then and why we never see elderly Miqo'te, the closest one to elderly looking feature-wise being Chai-Nuzz who seemed quite happy to have an early retirement with his wife in Eulmore despite looking young to be retiring.

    I thought that Lyna considered him a grandfather since he took care of her since she was young and him already being a grown adult at the time means that in relative years he'd be as old as a grandfather as opposed to as a father.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geekgirl101 View Post
    Oh I see, I didn't realise the Miqo'te lifespan was that short. I guess that explains why he still looks so young then and why we never see elderly Miqo'te, the closest one to elderly looking feature-wise being Chai-Nuzz who seemed quite happy to have an early retirement with his wife in Eulmore despite looking young to be retiring.

    I thought that Lyna considered him a grandfather since he took care of her since she was young and him already being a grown adult at the time means that in relative years he'd be as old as a grandfather as opposed to as a father.
    I actually went and tried to find the actual source to this just to be sure as I don't fully trust the wiki to be accurate.
    It seems this is where the 'lore' from it came from;
    What are the age scales of the races?
    Fernehalwes: The five races can live to 100-120 biologically, but most people don’t live much longer than 50. Elezen have longer lifespans.

    - from a lore panel
    With Miqo'te having the more 'harsher' lives of others, they seem to have a much shorter life span. And why you won't see an elderly looking Miqo'te, even the face that the older Mi'qote tends to use doesn't look 'old' compared to the other races who have the wrinkly old face, even Au'ra has an old/wrinkly face. I'll have to check the encyclopedia when I can, see if its officially stated. But that grey hair is definitely a sign, G'raha was an old man even before he came one with the tower. But yeah, he's one with the tower now. Sad really.
    Bless him.


    Still trying to find the source where Miqo'te has such a low life expectancy that the wiki states.
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  4. #234
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenorai View Post
    G'raha was an old man even before he came one with the tower.
    If that's the case then he must've spent 15+ years before he met with the people on the First as they referred to him as the Crystal Exarch due to his appearance, either that or he subconsiously fused himself whilst he was sleeping in the tower so when he was awoken he was already old. I think I read somewhere that he fused himself whilst he was in the tower whilst another source said he realised he wouldn't live long enough to bring the WoL to the First and fused himself. Wonder which one is the right answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenorai View Post
    I actually went and tried to find the actual source to this just to be sure as I don't fully trust the wiki to be accurate.
    It seems this is where the 'lore' from it came from;
    What are the age scales of the races?
    Fernehalwes: The five races can live to 100-120 biologically, but most people don’t live much longer than 50. Elezen have longer lifespans.

    - from a lore panel
    With Miqo'te having the more 'harsher' lives of others, they seem to have a much shorter life span. And why you won't see an elderly looking Miqo'te, even the face that the older Mi'qote tends to use doesn't look 'old' compared to the other races who have the wrinkly old face, even Au'ra has an old/wrinkly face. I'll have to check the encyclopedia when I can, see if its officially stated. But that grey hair is definitely a sign, G'raha was an old man even before he came one with the tower. But yeah, he's one with the tower now. Sad really.
    Bless him.


    Still trying to find the source where Miqo'te has such a low life expectancy that the wiki states.
    I'd assume when they say some don't live more than 50 because of all the crap that's going on in the world.
    Poverty, wars and battles, experimenting, anything really.

    I don't think G'raha was no older than young to mid 20's before he went into the CT.
    I would go with Jay's theory too and also add his hair changed along with the fusion of the Crystal Tower.
    There is one older like face though, it's Master Chai's face for example. Makes him looks 30-40.

    That said, stop depressing me Gwen.
    I lost Hauchy and I don't wanna lose G'raha. ; -;
    I so lonely lmao.
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    Oh interesting! I did some digging around Miqo'te lifespans and found some old posts there commenting about how Miqo'te have a lifespan of roughly 50-60 years old, don't outwardly age and find it funny how other races develop wrinkles. Also read up about U'odh Nunh who I had completely forgotten about who is a 43 year old Miqo'te and I suppose you could say looks old in his stance, his furrowed appearance, and his white and rugged hair which apparently attracts the other female Miqo'te even more and doesn't stop them wanting to "couple" with him. Seems there's a lot about this game I still don't know about regardless how long I've been playing it for.

    I don't think G'raha was no older than young to mid 20's before he went into the CT.
    He was 24 years old when he entered it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geekgirl101 View Post
    Oh interesting! I did some digging around Miqo'te lifespans and found some old posts there commenting about how Miqo'te have a lifespan of roughly 50-60 years old, don't outwardly age and find it funny how other races develop wrinkles. Also read up about U'odh Nunh who I had completely forgotten about who is a 43 year old Miqo'te and I suppose you could say looks old in his stance, his furrowed appearance, and his white and rugged hair.



    He was 24 years old when he entered it.
    I think the other race that doesn't develop wrinkles is Viera? Makes sense since they live for around 300+ years. But yeah, he was young went he went into the CT - but then he was awakened; and spent years trying to figure out ways to sort out the tower and what could be done. We don't know how long that took, only that so many people perished and died during it. I think he still had the grey hair when you saw him outside of the tower and he was with a descendant of biggs and they were finding lore/information about you in order to get things working again. Can anyone confirm?


    Quote Originally Posted by Mikhaill View Post
    I'd assume when they say some don't live more than 50 because of all the crap that's going on in the world.
    Poverty, wars and battles, experimenting, anything really.

    I don't think G'raha was no older than young to mid 20's before he went into the CT.
    I would go with Jay's theory too and also add his hair changed along with the fusion of the Crystal Tower.
    There is one older like face though, it's Master Chai's face for example. Makes him looks 30-40.

    That said, stop depressing me Gwen.
    I lost Hauchy and I don't wanna lose G'raha. ; -;
    I so lonely lmao.
    Really puts things into perspective don't it? The world of Eorzea is very sad :[
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  8. #238
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenorai View Post
    I think the other race that doesn't develop wrinkles is Viera? Makes sense since they live for around 300+ years. But yeah, he was young went he went into the CT - but then he was awakened; and spent years trying to figure out ways to sort out the tower and what could be done. We don't know how long that took, only that so many people perished and died during it. I think he still had the grey hair when you saw him outside of the tower and he was with a descendant of biggs and they were finding lore/information about you in order to get things working again. Can anyone confirm?
    That is possible, although what I read is that when he was awoken they already knew that the tower was capable of traversing time and space and that most of the preparations had been done. Perhaps then it took another 10-15 years for them to figure it all out and after miscalculating his journey back in time by 100 years realised he would die long before he could set about the next part of his mission and then went with the process of fusing himself. There's probably an explanation somewhere to why he didn't just then journey forward in time besides it taking him 100 years to work out how to summon the WoL to the First.
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    I also got the impression that he was immortal due to his bond with the tower, and he may not be physically aging at all.

    His white hair seems to be a side-effect of the crystal, not a sign that he's getting physically old - it's gone white at the tips rather than the roots.



    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenorai View Post
    I think he still had the grey hair when you saw him outside of the tower and he was with a descendant of biggs and they were finding lore/information about you in order to get things working again. Can anyone confirm?
    It can't be confirmed - the scene is shown in first-person view, and avoids showing his right hand (which may mean he was already 'crystalising' at that point, or maybe they just want to keep us guessing).
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    Quote Originally Posted by geekgirl101 View Post
    If that's the case then he must've spent 15+ years before he met with the people on the First as they referred to him as the Crystal Exarch due to his appearance, either that or he subconsiously fused himself whilst he was sleeping in the tower so when he was awoken he was already old. I think I read somewhere that he fused himself whilst he was in the tower whilst another source said he realised he wouldn't live long enough to bring the WoL to the First and fused himself. Wonder which one is the right answer.
    But, G'raha isn't really old looking at all, though. The white in his hair strikes me much more as a stylized art choice first of all, but in-universe might be a result of stress related to fusing? But prolly just magical side effect. Aside from hair color, though, he doesn't look to have aged a day to me.
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