New crafting skills in ShB - Prep Touch & Delicate Syn are better than they seem!

[Liam_Harper]

SUMMARY OF THE NEW CRAFTING APPROACH:

Here is my vision of what's coming. The "new trend of crafting" (at the most difficult level) would be to first quickly build up IQ stacks with either PrpT or Precise Touch. PrpT has the advantage that it is more reliable, predictable and plannable comparing to Patient Touch and Precise Touch, while very quickly build up a high IQ stack (much faster than using Prudent Touch even though PrudT is already very efficient with CP). This can be done while Manip2 is active, to let durab falls by 10 per step, which means a combo that looks like this:
(assuming durab is below max from Muscle Memory)
"Manip2, SH2, PrpT, PrpT, PrpT"

After IQ is like ~5 to 7, then spam DS under Ingen:
"Ingen, DS, DS, DS, DS, DS"

What's good about Delicate Syn spam is that it is still very good to be used AFTER IQ hits 11. So if we encounter a craft sooooo difficult that IQ11 Byregot is not enough, we can actually do another round of Ingen+DS spam to further push BOTH progress and quality at IQ11. And we can keep doing this until progress is just a tad bit before completion.

Finally, we finish off with a standard Byregot finisher, and complete with a single CS3 or Observe+FocSyn.

Nice to see you posting discussions again

From what I've seen of rotations so far, including my own, it's been the other way around. It varies, but I tend to start with Ingen and 4-5 Delicate Synth, then move to Strides + Preparatory in the second half to set up the Brygots finisher. I feel Preparatory's strength is in how powerful it is with Strides. 200% is like a 5 stack Brygots and IQ tends to cap by 8 now. Strides + Prep at 7-8 can often put you in range of finishing with Brygots.

Ingenuity II is currently a dead skill and Innovation is far weaker which frees some CP and lets you do things like Steady II -> Ingen -> Strides -> Prep -> Strides -> Brygot -> Careful II.

I've found Prudent has uses and Focused Touch is quite useful.

As for our 70-80 toolkit I pretty much agree. Delicate and Prep Touch are very overpowered. Reuse is a goldmine and bonkers. Intensive and both 80 skills are virtually useless though Intensive has potential if Ishgard is as hard as they say.

While we're on the topic of discussion I'm curious if anyone can strengthen this one. It's a non spec vendor food Reuse that works off NQ mats + HQ Alkahast but just falls short on chest pieces. I have 100% Spec vendor food Reuse rotations too if anyone needs.

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Nice to see you posting discussions again

From what I've seen of rotations so far, including my own, it's been the other way around. It varies, but I tend to start with Ingen and 4-5 Delicate Synth, then move to Strides + Preparatory in the second half to set up the Brygots finisher. I feel Preparatory's strength is in how powerful it is with Strides. 200% is like a 5 stack Brygots and IQ tends to cap by 8 now. Strides + Prep at 7-8 can often put you in range of finishing with Brygots.

Ingenuity II is currently a dead skill and Innovation is far weaker which frees some CP and lets you do things like Steady II -> Ingen -> Strides -> Prep -> Strides -> Brygot -> Careful II.

I've found Prudent has uses and Focused Touch is quite useful.

As for our 70-80 toolkit I pretty much agree. Delicate and Prep Touch are very overpowered. Reuse is a goldmine and bonkers. Intensive and both 80 skills are virtually useless though Intensive has potential if Ishgard is as hard as they say.

While we're on the topic of discussion I'm curious if anyone can strengthen this one. It's a non spec vendor food Reuse that works off NQ mats + HQ Alkahast but just falls short on chest pieces. I have 100% Spec vendor food Reuse rotations too if anyone needs.

I tested a bit, but I couldn't strengthen this rota to go full 100%, not even with your stats. But I got a little stronger version:

[Kaurhz]

I tested a bit, but I couldn't strengthen this rota to go full 100%, not even with your stats. But I got a little stronger version:

Nice to see you posting discussions again

From what I've seen of rotations so far, including my own, it's been the other way around. It varies, but I tend to start with Ingen and 4-5 Delicate Synth, then move to Strides + Preparatory in the second half to set up the Brygots finisher. I feel Preparatory's strength is in how powerful it is with Strides. 200% is like a 5 stack Brygots and IQ tends to cap by 8 now. Strides + Prep at 7-8 can often put you in range of finishing with Brygots.

Ingenuity II is currently a dead skill and Innovation is far weaker which frees some CP and lets you do things like Steady II -> Ingen -> Strides -> Prep -> Strides -> Brygot -> Careful II.

I've found Prudent has uses and Focused Touch is quite useful.

As for our 70-80 toolkit I pretty much agree. Delicate and Prep Touch are very overpowered. Reuse is a goldmine and bonkers. Intensive and both 80 skills are virtually useless though Intensive has potential if Ishgard is as hard as they say.

While we're on the topic of discussion I'm curious if anyone can strengthen this one. It's a non spec vendor food Reuse that works off NQ mats + HQ Alkahast but just falls short on chest pieces. I have 100% Spec vendor food Reuse rotations too if anyone needs.

Variant, slightly better on both progress and quality.