*Spoilers* Do we have "Creation Magic?"

[Jonnycbad]

As for Akadaemia Anyder, I'm not sure if what is happening in that duty is even "real". Is the boss actually being summoned? If it is a recreation of events, when what causes that boss to appear? What powers it?

It's a recreation of events. Basically the whole city is one giant primal. Think of Dream Zanarkand. Its tangible, but its form is willed into existence by energy dreams and prayer. Just like Zanarkand, when its summoner(s) die, it too will fade...

[Edax]

It's a recreation of events. Basically the whole city is one giant primal. Think of Dream Zanarkand. Its tangible, but its form is willed into existence by energy dreams and prayer. Just like Zanarkand, when its summoner(s) die, it too will fade...

So what is actually creating Quetzalcoatl? Emet? The Ancient Shade that died? Amaurot?

[Kith_Whulfth]

So what is actually creating Quetzalcoatl? Emet? The Ancient Shade that died? Amaurot?

I believe that Emet Selch imbuned the shades with just enough "self" to function as the actual Amaurotine citizens without actually being "alive." Therefore, the shade tried to summon a "guardian" using the same techniques that an actual scholar from the Akadaemia might. That being said, the Quetzalcoatl we fought was a far cry from the Primals that we've seen before in recent expansions, and this might be due to the shade lacking the aether of an actual living being, let alone that of a true Ancient. In other words, Emet Selch's enchantment is technically an act of creation magic (if incomplete or even half-hearted) and therefore the shade would technically have enough free will and aether to perform a somewhat lesser summoning.

I'll even go so far as to point out that Quetzalcoatl as we faced in the dungeon is far more potent than Ifrit when faced unsync'd on hard mode, meaning it's actually quite a potent creation when compared to the summoned Primals we face in ARR. After all, the shade we meet in the story (whose name eludes me right now) tells us that Emet Selch created them to give the illusion of the city as he remembered it. Emet Selch even went so far as to give these shades personalities and the ability to argue with each other without Emet Selch being there to see it. The shades are not truly alive, but they may as well be, and therefore have the force of will necessary to create or summon just as the beast tribes of the Source.

[YianKutku]

I believe that Emet Selch imbuned the shades with just enough "self" to function as the actual Amaurotine citizens without actually being "alive." Therefore, the shade tried to summon a "guardian" using the same techniques that an actual scholar from the Akadaemia might. That being said, the Quetzalcoatl we fought was a far cry from the Primals that we've seen before in recent expansions, and this might be due to the shade lacking the aether of an actual living being, let alone that of a true Ancient. In other words, Emet Selch's enchantment is technically an act of creation magic (if incomplete or even half-hearted) and therefore the shade would technically have enough free will and aether to perform a somewhat lesser summoning.

I'll even go so far as to point out that Quetzalcoatl as we faced in the dungeon is far more potent than Ifrit when faced unsync'd on hard mode, meaning it's actually quite a potent creation when compared to the summoned Primals we face in ARR. After all, the shade we meet in the story (whose name eludes me right now) tells us that Emet Selch created them to give the illusion of the city as he remembered it. Emet Selch even went so far as to give these shades personalities and the ability to argue with each other without Emet Selch being there to see it. The shades are not truly alive, but they may as well be, and therefore have the force of will necessary to create or summon just as the beast tribes of the Source.

Then again, the only reason that shade of an Amaurotine tried to summon Quetzalcoatl was because they were trying to contain the chaos from all the experimental subjects being freed by Archaeotania. Which, if we follow this logic, was also created by Emet-Selch.

So Emet-Selch created the Akademia Anyder, populated it with Amaurotine researchers, populated it with dangerous experimental subjects, included a phantomological monster from "over the seas" that was smart enough to escape and cause a mass breakout, and allowed the simulacra of Amaurotines to panic and run away and die, while the simulacrum of Archaeotania could escape into the greater Tempest and terrorize the local Ondo.

It's an alarmingly long way to go for verisimilitude, I think.

[Jonnycbad]

...while the simulacrum of Archaeotania could escape into the greater Tempest and terrorize the local Ondo.

I could be wrong but I thought Archaeotania had been in legends for quite some time in Ondo Tradition and not just a recent occurrence? If I am correct, then it would be that the real Archaeotania has been living in the oceans of the Tempest for thousands of years, since before the sundering. That would make sense given that on the source, Archeotania (who probably died during one of the calamities) would be the monster that sparked myths of Leviathan to the Saghin. So on the Source, legends of Archeotania were corrupted over thousands of years to become Leviathan, Lord of the Whorl, and on the First Archeotania never perished because there was never any calamities, so it survived intact to pester the Ondo.


Also I think it was interesting that Archeotania used some techniques like Megaflare and Gigaflare. I wonder if it inspired the primal Bahamut similar to how Shinryu was a primal that was inspired by Midgardsrmr.

[YianKutku]

Creation Magick is the process of transforming Aether into matter, shaped only by the will of the user.

Side note, but this (transforming aether into matter, and back again) is exactly how Omega is described to work, and I am hoping dearly for there to be some reference to that. It would be so cool to have the characters compare the two methods of Creation Magick and Omega Synthesis.

(Realistically I suspect the writers will just go "it's too troublesome to explain, don't think about it too hard", but I can still hope.)

I could be wrong but I thought Archaeotania had been in legends for quite some time in Ondo Tradition and not just a recent occurrence? If I am correct, then it would be that the real Archaeotania has been living in the oceans of the Tempest for thousands of years, since before the sundering. That would make sense given that on the source, Archeotania (who probably died during one of the calamities) would be the monster that sparked myths of Leviathan to the Saghin. So on the Source, legends of Archeotania were corrupted over thousands of years to become Leviathan, Lord of the Whorl, and on the First Archeotania never perished because there was never any calamities, so it survived intact to pester the Ondo.


Also I think it was interesting that Archeotania used some techniques like Megaflare and Gigaflare. I wonder if it inspired the primal Bahamut similar to how Shinryu was a primal that was inspired by Midgardsrmr.

You could be right; I've never had the occasion to do the Archaeotania FATE series, so all I know about it are the fact that the FATE series exists, and the Akademia Anyder unlock quest dialogue.

Then again, if Archaeotania pre-dates the Sundering, I wonder why it seems to have survived twelve thousand years on the First, but the Source doesn't seem to have one, and possibly only survives as a Primal myth. Does it count as a "fragmented" existence? Does the existence of Midgardsormr's brood on the Source have anything to do with Archaeotania's absence?

[TankHunter678]

Then again, if Archaeotania pre-dates the Sundering, I wonder why it seems to have survived twelve thousand years on the First, but the Source doesn't seem to have one, and possibly only survives as a Primal myth. Does it count as a "fragmented" existence? Does the existence of Midgardsormr's brood on the Source have anything to do with Archaeotania's absence?

Considering the number of calamities the world has gone through which even drove the Sahagin from the deeps to have to nest at an island I think its safe to say that the Archaeotania died in one of the calamities.