Viera's get their own hairstyles?...

[Alleo]

I really dislike this and its another point on the list about things that they said once and changed only a bit later...I mean they went out of their way in an interview (or was it in a post..) to state that Vieras will get some of the old ones but not all and that Hrothgars get new faces and manes and suddenly a bit later Viera will also not get at least some of those styles? Can we even take anything that is said seriously anymore until its in the game?

What is so hard about releasing some of them for Vieras? How is it better to create unique ones for two races instead of trying to fit the old ones for them?

How bad will this affect the releases of hairstyles for everyone? Now on top of having the ones for everyone you also need to create them for Viera and Hrothgar too..or will be left behind and have to watch others getting new ones every patch while we might get one maybe once or twice per expansion?

It will be so frustrating to get new hairstyle rewards from drops, knowing that you wont ever be able to wear them just because you used a certain race..Limiting stuff already for the genders is sometimes annoying but this..this is just bad.

I'm not sure why Viera are crying about hair when 90% of them were Miqo'te or Au Ra using the exact same hairstyles anyways.

Oh so you know so many people and the way they played the game?

I loved collecting hairstyles, even those that I might not want to wear, and I loved to be able to change when I just wanted to. Sometimes I would wear a style for a longer time, sometimes I switched between certain styles in a few days. Those styles will now be lost to me. (And I had the good faith to believe in their words when they said that Viera will get a lot of the old ones..) And the only Viera hairstyle I like with my character is the short one I wear..that means I cant change it up at all.

It also takes away any interest or joy in getting new hairstyles as rewards from content...great another one that I cant use at all...

[ErryK]

Oh so you know so many people and the way they played the game?

I've seen enough Miqo'te and Au Ra in my 6 years of playing this game to make that observation, yes.

Seriously? People spent real money to switch to a race that was incomplete, losing access to a significant number of helmets and hairstyles (some of which *also cost real money*), and now we've got a kind of vague answer that boils down to "yeah you'll get more, but they'll still be race specific and limited." Sooo... what about the stuff I spent time, Gil, and *cash* to get before I switched?

Just switch back? I dunno.

[Alleo]

I've seen enough Miqo'te and Au Ra in my 6 years of playing this game to make that observation, yes.



Just switch back? I dunno.

And you see them constantly to know that they dont change when you dont just see them? I really doubt that. (As a "counter point": I have seen more Au Ra and Kittens that change their hair while a lot of the males I know barely do. )

This is a forum and criticism of limited races should be allowed. If they included that Hrothgars can only wear their starter gear would that be fine too? People could just switch back and not complain, right?

Also switching costs money. We would bascially give SE money for their decision to design limited races.

[Pomelo]

Limited Jobs, limited races... What's next to be limited? I really want to know.

Gender locked limited job only played by certain races.

*dies*

[Avidria]

Just switch back? I dunno.

Uh... No. I actually love Viera, and don't want to switch back. I just want the race to be a bit more *finished.*

Also. Switching costs even more real cash. So double no.

[LaylaTsarra]

I hope we get some of the legacy common hairstyles. I suspect we will but I'd have to say I was disappointed with the comments made. I'm wondering what they have planned for additional racial ones and I sincerely hope the number is significant given we need more variety in the looks we can use.

I'm not pessimistic though I think we'll get many of the normal ones and certainly the paid for and significant duty related ones we work hard for and pay for.

It's obvious to me that there is still significant work to be done for headgear as well as hairstyles for both genders and that we just have to be patient as they continue to work on them. In the meantime I'm loving the race and am so happy we got it.

[ErryK]

Uh... No. I actually love Viera, and don't want to switch back. I just want the race to be a bit more *finished.*

Also. Switching costs even more real cash. So double no.

And you see them constantly to know that they dont change when you dont just see them? I really doubt that. (As a "counter point": I have seen more Au Ra and Kittens that change their hair while a lot of the males I know barely do. )

This is a forum and criticism of limited races should be allowed. If they included that Hrothgars can only wear their starter gear would that be fine too? People could just switch back and not complain, right?

Also switching costs money. We would bascially give SE money for their decision to design limited races.

I said it was an observation I made, I didn't personally attack you, sit down.

As for spending money, didn't you make the conscious decision to spend money to switch in the first place instead of waiting to see what the new races were like? I'm all for criticism but this isn't something you resolve overnight. There's at least 90 threads a day complaining about the hairstyle limitations on the new races, they already knew it would be an issue, jeez.

[Yshnal]

What I know is that SE is not wanting for money, and FFXIV is actually very successful. If the issue is that the devs lack the manpower to devote time to this (which I'm sure they do), SE should reinvest here more of the money that this game is earning them, and hire more people to help. It's unacceptable that time and again we keep hearing about limited this and limited that while most of the money that we pay goes to other failed projects. On top of that we have to deal with the Mog Station stuff, including the additional sub for more inventory space (paying more suddendly fixes the "server limitations", it's magic!).

Look, I love the devs and I think that they do an amazing job most of the time. And we've seen plenty of times that they even work too much, too. But I honestly disagree with how their higher ups are treating both them and their game. It's really tiring to see this situation repeat itself, and even get more prominent, after so many years of FFXIV being their main -and sometimes only- cash cow.

[reivaxe]

I'm not sure why Viera are crying about hair when 90% of them were Miqo'te or Au Ra using the exact same hairstyles anyways.

It's simple really, people are noticing something I figured out very fast once the benchmark hit. That with the options they have a lot of Viera look alike. And unlike Hrothgar and so many other races they are limited to human skin colors and gray so it makes hair and lack of hair style freedom all the more noticeable. Even if half of all kitty girls try to look generic pretty or the same or w/e the race still has the option to allow you to make a blue skin cat girl with an outrageous pompadour if you want to stand out. Many people here thought Viera were safe as a "normal race" and felt they didn't have to worry about their mogstation and reward hair being completely cut cause "surely the Hrothgar are an oddity". So now it's time for whine and cheese.

As for the topic ... Kinda reminds we of the "First they came" poem, the silly beef Viera have with Hrothgar has blinded many to the fact that they seem to be treating both races as a packaged deal. As in, despite the stupid way Hrothgar manes are being handled the race has the same number of hair styles as the Viera rn. It's always been of my opinion that they would keep that number the same regardless, so even if the Viera got like 20 of the shared hair styles I'd think the Hrothgar would get that amount divided between w/e number of faces they have at the time.

If this news is to be believed as an accurate translation and not as a mistake where he was only referring to Hrothgar then either they NOW figured that they could keep it evens-stevens better if they ONLY gave Viera race hairs or they thought Viera players would feel left out if Hrothgar got brand new unique hair styles and they just got access to the same outdated and boring styles for everyone else (and not even get all of them).

[SturmChurro]

Uh... No. I actually love Viera, and don't want to switch back. I just want the race to be a bit more *finished.*

Also. Switching costs even more real cash. So double no.

Same here. Apparently this is asking for the world though.

It's simple really, people are noticing something I figured out very fast once the benchmark hit. That with the options they have a lot of Viera look alike. And unlike Hrothgar and so many other races they are limited to human skin colors and gray so it makes hair and lack of hair style freedom all the more noticeable. Even if half of all kitty girls try to look generic pretty or the same or w/e the race still has the option to allow you to make a blue skin cat girl with an outrageous pompadour if you want to stand out. Many people here thought Viera were safe as a "normal race" and felt they didn't have to worry about their mogstation and reward hair being completely cut cause "surely the Hrothgar are an oddity". So now it's time for whine and cheese.

As for the topic ... Kinda reminds we of the "First they came" poem, the silly beef Viera have with Hrothgar has blinded many to the fact that they seem to be treating both races as a packaged deal. As in, despite the stupid way Hrothgar manes are being handled the race has the same number of hair styles as the Viera rn. It's always been of my opinion that they would keep that number the same regardless, so even if the Viera got like 20 of the shared hair styles I'd think the Hrothgar would get that amount divided between w/e number of faces they have at the time.

If this news is to be believed as an accurate translation and not as a mistake where he was only referring to Hrothgar then either they NOW figured that they could keep it evens-stevens better if they ONLY gave Viera race hairs or they thought Viera players would feel left out if Hrothgar got brand new unique hair styles and they just got access to the same outdated and boring styles for everyone else (and not even get all of them).

I have a feeling they are definitly treating them as a packaged deal. One will get updated when the other gets updated. Meaning each will be equally limited, but hrothgar will always be worse off since the hair is attached to face requiring a fantasia. More face/hair options just means more fantasias required.