Vote Kick griefing

[MajinSoul]

There's lots of jumping to conclusions in this thread. We only have one side of the story and even that is not going into details.
You don't need a parser to notice your healer is idling and only casting cure1 every few seconds. I don't think vote kick griefing is a huge issue right now and if you find yourself getting kicked that often maybe you should take the time and see if there's something wrong with your playstyle. "Nobody died" is good but it doesn't mean everything was handled correctly e.g. your dps only used single target spells in big pulls, your tank never used defensive cooldowns or your healer never dpsed ... and so on.

[Ordin]

You should remove the names because it's a bannable offense.

You got kicked, we just have your side of the story, why don't you just move on? Report them or not and queue again.

thanks i deleted it

[Seoulstar]

Per SE, "playstyle differences" is a valid reason to kick someone from a group. At least half of the group thought you were a problem, so off you went.

Can easily see how that can be abused honestly. I'm just going to say that I'm thankful that people with such mentality that a healer is "not dpsing enough" is so horrible they need to be kicked is within the minority of this community. It's a dungeon, not a savage raid. It's not like you're going to get an enrage timer.

Also, it's really scummy to just kick someone literally right before the final boss. Those people were..I can't say the word here without getting in trouble. But i'll just say they're low. They are scum.

[MrKusakabe]

Per SE, "playstyle differences" is a valid reason to kick someone from a group. At least half of the group thought you were a problem, so off you went.

I am sure this "half of the people"-reason is bullocks.
As soon as the kick vote comes up, it is more of a "Phew, it is not me, so I don't care" sort of thing. I disconnected and a bunch of players hit "Kick" immediately despite I was literally gone for 5 seconds (I had a mate in there). So no, I don't believe in this "They were right because they had a majority" thing as I figured out that it is not true in every game I played so far - neither League of Legends, nor Guild Wars, and I have even been in that situation myself on the GW2 forums as one of my post was deleted for sarcasm and everyone was like "Ooooh, his post has been removed, must've been very baaaad things".


Being kicked before the last boss shows he was fine for 99% of the enemies and mid-bosses before, so I consider your reasoning is flawed.

[Vnolan]

thanks i deleted it

Can't name FCs either.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

I am sure this "half of the people"-reason is bullocks.
As soon as the kick vote comes up, it is more of a "Phew, it is not me, so I don't care" sort of thing. I disconnected and a bunch of players hit "Kick" immediately despite I was literally gone for 5 seconds (I had a mate in there). So no, I don't believe in this "They were right because they had a majority" thing as I figured out that it is not true in every game I played so far - neither League of Legends, nor Guild Wars, and I have even been in that situation myself on the GW2 forums as one of my post was deleted for sarcasm and everyone was like "Ooooh, his post has been removed, must've been very baaaad things".


Being kicked before the last boss shows he was fine for 99% of the enemies and mid-bosses before, so I consider your reasoning is flawed.

It's still half of a party in a dungeon. Why they did it is irrelevant.

Or someone just didn't roll on the items and waited out the timer, and they were only able to kick "right before the final boss". And like other stories here, we're only hearing one side, with no assurance that this wasn't embellished into a "pity the poor lazy healer" story.

[Nixxe]

I am sure this "half of the people"-reason is bullocks.
As soon as the kick vote comes up, it is more of a "Phew, it is not me, so I don't care" sort of thing. I disconnected and a bunch of players hit "Kick" immediately despite I was literally gone for 5 seconds (I had a mate in there). So no, I don't believe in this "They were right because they had a majority" thing as I figured out that it is not true in every game I played so far - neither League of Legends, nor Guild Wars, and I have even been in that situation myself on the GW2 forums as one of my post was deleted for sarcasm and everyone was like "Ooooh, his post has been removed, must've been very baaaad things".


Being kicked before the last boss shows he was fine for 99% of the enemies and mid-bosses before, so I consider your reasoning is flawed.

1. If you were kicked, at least half of the group didn't care to keep you around.
2. You were kicked.
C: At least half of the group didn't care to keep you around.

1. A -> B
2. A
C: B

Have at it.

[Kaethra]

OP doesn't have much of a leg to stand on. If you all really want to get nit picky about the rules, then they themselves committed Nuisance Behavior by not helping the group complete objectives. Think about that for a moment. Lets say the OP does report it. Whats the GM going to find?

Four players go into a dungeon. OP as Healer gets booted by three people. We now have a he said, she said situation. If the players booted the OP for being AFK, then its likely the evidence is going to be shown that he was. Up until the final act of booting anyway.

And then we have a situation of three players withdrawing their consent to group with the OP. Think about that for a moment. Three players decided they don't wish to group with them anymore. Maybe its true, they didn't like him standing around doing nothing (lets be honest, there's not a boss fight in the DF 71-79 that actually requires a healer role, PLD or RDM can handle it). Or maybe they didn't like the race they were playing. The glamour they were using. Or if they were speaking, they didn't like what they were saying.

Point is, when three people withdraw consent, are you all going to seriously going to tell me all three must leave the dungeon? Three people, not one, gotta leave in that situation?

You all probably will because you too want to stand around watching health bars as healers. Let me tell you this. I will quote myself from another thread:

Because when you click ready, you make a pact, an agreement with the others that you will do your best. Standing there with everyone with full healthbars is violating that pact. Its unacceptable. It will no longer be tolerated. From now on. If you all enter DF and do this. You will be removed. You can cry to GMs all you want. You can quote the rules until you are blue in the face.

We are withdrawing our consent to group with healers who stand around idle. They are AFK as far as we are concerned. That will be the reason for their dismissal.

This is non-negotiable. The decision has been made. And while I can only speak for myself, I'm sure many will agree with this. This is simply how it will be. Even the devs do not get a say in this. We're taking that choice away from them too.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post5124423


To those who agree with that quote. People in this thread are going to get antsy. They're going to get report heavy in game. The best way to deal with these people is to vote kick them without a word. Don't say the reason. Don't even talk to them. If a GM does respond to one of their reports, simply tell them that they were afk. That you had waited several minutes. That you were on the last boss and needed it done quickly because you had to go right after. It won't be a lie, it will essentially be the truth as we see it.

Do those of you who don't agree with this. Well as its stated, this is non-negotiable. No debate will be had. If you don't conform to the group, you will be dismissed without a word. No fuss, no circumstance. You just pop your little tail outside the dungeon. As it should be. If you wish to play the way you wish to. Then I suggest getting a premade group together. Because your choice has been taken away from you. Our consent has been withdrawn.

[White_Wolf_X]

Per SE, "playstyle differences" is a valid reason to kick someone from a group. At least half of the group thought you were a problem, so off you went.

If the "playstyle differences" was really a valid reason, the devs would have put it into the options when using the vote kick system a long time ago.

Also tip to OP, just don't roll on items until the end of the dungeon or until the last few secs of the roll ( or when in combat with last boss )

[Kaethra]

Also tip to OP, just don't roll on items until the end of the dungeon ( or until you are in combat with last boss etc )

This is easy to get around. Usually I'm in a premade with 2 others and when someone does this. We have no issue waiting the timer out and then dismissing the person in question. There are some strong classes, but no heale that can solo bosses. We simply will not engage if we suspect someone trying to avoid being dismissed for what they know to be shady actions worth dismissal over. Engage a boss to avoid a vote kick, you're going to hit the floor eventually. And then you'll be out of combat and removed. Likely before you're done loading in after the respawn.

By all means, try it though. Such actions are going to look really really bad to a GM though. But ball is in your court, not mine.