Pulling the bosses In dungeons as DPS a thing now?

[Soraki-Muppe]

Only had 1 dps pull a boss this expansion, was a range dps.
First this genius was more or less afk before the boss and did little to nothing in helping with killing the mobs, then for no reason used sprint, not that things that makes everyone move faster, ran into the boss area and pulled which kinda fucked up for the melee dps and the healer who had to waste time healing them.
Not waiting for a timer I can understand, but I never use a damn timer in dungeons since I always run in and pull at once... but I guess if your in a hurry...
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If your in such a damn hurry then perhaps help kill the mobs prior to the boss instead of hanging around doing jack shit during that part, how about that?!

[animeking]

I play DD, Heals, and Tank.
I've played FFXI also.

I do and understand both sides.
DD just want to hit shit quickly and test tanks/heals capabilities,
Tanks want to tank that what they believe to be a good pull or start the pull so that everyone can fully focus on their jobs.
In FFXI there were extra roles in the party 1 was Puller, I understand this doesn't exist in FFXIV.

All-in-all tanks should just take the mob off the DD or healer or who ever pulled. If the boss does a tank buster and kills the DD just deal with it.
I get DD's doing this all the time doesn't bother me I'll just hit it a 1-2 times and get the hate on me.
Tanks just need to adapt to the situation.

[Magnedeus]

I don't give a damn if you're the dps or the healer. if you continue to pull for me while i am tanking i will either votekick you or i will the the duty.

[Kleeya]

Yesterday, thinking of this thread, i did try as a dps in a dungeon to pull not only the bosses, but the next packs of mobs as well. Because i did stumble upon a tank who would take a tiny pack of 3-5 mobs at a time, which is indeed not really funny when you want to aoe a lot. The tank did said nothing while running for taking all the aggro back from me, as a good tank pictured by some people in this topic. But at some point he was struggling to stay alive, the healer to heal him as well, and then the tank died, and we wipe. Still no comments in the chat, so i try to mass pull the same packs again, so that the tank and healer can train to become better at their jobs. And we wipe again, and one time again after that.

At that point i was just pissed off seeing people not able to improve themselves, and when we engage the first pack of mobs i didn't go pull the next one, but did stay a bit away to press alt-tab to go look at some things on the internet while the others were killing the so numerous mobs for me. Same for the second pack. I didn't get kicked, maybe the rest of the group thought i was afk or something. Or maybe they did understand that they have to become better at their jobs, because they seemed to put more efforts when i did mass pull again after that.

Even though we didn't wipe again, want to know the worst part of it ?

I will probably use these Thancred and Alphinaud trusts again XD

[Nedkel]

Yesterday, thinking of this thread, i did try as a dps in a dungeon to pull not only the bosses, but the next packs of mobs as well. Because i did stumble upon a tank who would take a tiny pack of 3-5 mobs at a time, which is indeed not really funny when you want to aoe a lot. The tank did said nothing while running for taking all the aggro back from me, as a good tank pictured by some people in this topic. But at some point he was struggling to stay alive, the healer to heal him as well, and then the tank died, and we wipe. Still no comments in the chat, so i try to mass pull the same packs again, so that the tank and healer can train to become better at their jobs. And we wipe again, and one time again after that.

At that point i was just pissed off seeing people not able to improve themselves, and when we engage the first pack of mobs i didn't go pull the next one, but did stay a bit away to press alt-tab to go look at some things on the internet while the others were killing the so numerous mobs for me. Same for the second pack. I didn't get kicked, maybe the rest of the group thought i was afk or something. Or maybe they did understand that they have to become better at their jobs, because they seemed to put more efforts when i did mass pull again after that.

Even though we didn't wipe again, want to know the worst part of it ?

I will probably use these Thancred and Alphinaud trusts again XD

I have no words to that, so let me show you what i think in the gif below.

[Soraki-Muppe]

Nedkel, your gif said it all.

[Kleeya]

Ouch, the dog in this gif indeed seems to hit hard, but still it can't compare as how much i did get hurt when Thancred and Alphinaud failed to handle my mass pulling XD

[Kabooa]

I have no words to that, so let me show you what i think in the gif below.

They had us in the first half, not gonna lie.

[AncientCrystal]

Probably didn't want his timer or stacks or whatever it is Dragoons have to run out.

Honestly, who cares? You could have taken it off him in literal seconds, it wouldn't have really effected your run, and you'd have finished the dungeon, got your loot and forgotten all about it by now.

Instead you got kicked, had to start over, you wasted your own time and theirs, and the whole thing has evidently annoyed you enough to make this topic about it.

I get soo tired of people on this damn forum complaining about people making topics. A lot of times people want to just get other's opinions on something for their perspective. Or to just get something off their chest. That is what a forum is for.

Screw off forums if you don't want to see what people have to say.

[Ftail]

That term is way old. Back in the days of World of Warcraft where a group needed to wait for 3-5 stacks of sunder to make sure the tank had good aggro. I'm sure its probably even older than that. Back then if you pulled even accidentally there was a good chance the tank wasn't going to be able to pick it up, not before you died. And in combat raises were not a thing. (Druids were the only ones with a combat raise, but it has a 40 minute CD).

I don't know if its an age thing, but I image a lot of these attitudes come from that time. If you pulled ahead of the tank you were an a**hole and the rest of the group would let you die. Even though the days of working to gain aggro are gone, many people, myself included, still extend this consideration to the tank.

Also to add to this Vanilla WoW had differences in pulling aggro, so if you pulled ahead of the tank it made it difficult to pull off the DPS because of how aggro worked. "Suppose a mob is attacking player 1. In order for the mob to switch to player 2, he must do more than just exceed the threat of player 1. If he is in melee range of the mob, he will draw aggro when he exceeds 110% of player 1's threat." - https://wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Kenc...arch_on_threat

Vanilla WoW had a very good reason why you should never pull ahead of a tank just because of how aggro worked. Now days if you do it people just see you as a *insert bad word here*.