If SCH got Energy Drain back, why not do the same for WHMs?

[Exiled_Tonberry]

I know WHM is doing really good right now, but I do want to kind of bring up how lacking wings feels. Maybe it's because I can't actually SEE the 10% mitigation, but I'm comparing to SCHs Seraph and ASTs Neutral and they both feel powerful and you can see the results.

WHM I feel like I just popped Largresse. Nothing special, no one notices. It's not weak, I'm sure it has power behind it. But it doesn't FEEL strong.

[Billythepancake]

I know WHM is doing really good right now, but I do want to kind of bring up how lacking wings feels. Maybe it's because I can't actually SEE the 10% mitigation, but I'm comparing to SCHs Seraph and ASTs Neutral and they both feel powerful and you can see the results.

WHM I feel like I just popped Largresse. Nothing special, no one notices. It's not weak, I'm sure it has power behind it. But it doesn't FEEL strong.

I'll be honest, maybe I'm using it wrong, but I don't really feel seraph, she just comes of as rouse to me. The 2 free succors are nice I suppose, but hardly ever needed.

[IttyBitty]

I know WHM is doing really good right now, but I do want to kind of bring up how lacking wings feels.

Temperance is visually lazy. I hate it so much. Give me actual wings, not a recoloured and resized magicked prism effect. What it does is okay but nobody really notices when the wings come out.

WHM feels a bit clunky. I wish you'd be able to weave spells better.

WHM has too many skills to weave with (and 3 of them are conditional on lilies) and not enough things to actually weave often enough. So you constantly feel like you're stopping and starting. It's one of my main issues with current WHM.

[Mhaeric]

Temperance is visually lazy. I hate it so much. Give me actual wings, not a recoloured and resized magicked prism effect. What it does is okay but nobody really notices when the wings come out.

Scholars with fairy envy do.

That visual is what Dissipation should have received, tbh. We're absorbing Eos/Selene's essence into ourselves for a time, so giving us wings then would have been perfect.

[Sebazy]

I've pondered about this as well.

IMHO I think the potency of the lily skills would need to be toned down quite drastically to remain balanced as an oGCD, it'd likely have us clipping horridly again and it'd just lose the current satisfying feel of the whole mechanic. I also think that a straight up DPS dump for Lilies could only really come at the cost of our 900 potency Misery. Again, not a fan of that. For the most part, I don't really find myself with excess Lilies that I can't spend in Savage or Extreme, whilst in casual content like Normals, Maps and Dungeons I find that burning extra Lilies in downtime such between pulls or in transitions does the trick for the most part.

One thought I did have that could be interesting though, would be being able to use a Lily to recast a nerfed version of a self buff on Cooldown. Being able to burn a Lily to get a half duration PoM would be really nice, even if it was half effectiveness as well I think that'd be a good trade? Too strong? Maybe. A bit more interesting than just raw potency though.

WHM I feel like I just popped Largresse. Nothing special, no one notices. It's not weak, I'm sure it has power behind it. But it doesn't FEEL strong.

I'm actually kind of surprised at that. Whilst I'm not the biggest fan of it merely being a rebrand of Divine Seal with a bigger CD on it, the damage reduction can be impactful. The rather wobbly snapshotting a lot of fights seem to have doesn't really help things though, and I'm wondering if that's part of the issue here?

I've been loving it though, even in Primals it's defo got it's uses.

For example, on innocence with double WHM, hitting my wings and throwing a benison on someone with vulnerability stacks will get them through the post adds transition (As long as I do both before the adds die as it snapshots at that moment, long before the AoE actually hits) whereas early on it was often a 1 shot for a healer or squishy DPS. It's also pretty neat for Titania's Fire Hands, Dia or Regen get refreshed as the two stack markers come out, hit Wings+PI, throw a few more glares then a single Rapture pretty much deletes the damage done and gives me plenty of reserve for if a puddle gets messed up and a group ends up having to stack in the thorns.