What the term "healer" means to me

[Deceptus]

I've seen healers that says "I don't raise more than once or twice" or "I just use one or two GCD heal specifically on someone". All of this just to use every GCD on DPS.

When a dps has hit the 50% penalty it's not worth the mana to raise them. Especially now that mana is capped and a rez is 25% of our total mana. That gets drained quick with multiple raises.

And healers will generally wait for a swiftcast so they're not spending 10s on a raise cast time. Time they could be healing other players, healing the tanks, or doing more damage than said dead team mate on the floor.

[Sebazy]

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There's limits to everything.

The lack of an enrage in Normal Eden is a small mercy <3

[TankHunter678]

What a horribly unconstructive post.

Players who desperately want only to focus on dps will reach for any rationale to justify more damage. It's a selfish choice to push DPS maxing as a healer, but at least a few people are honest about their reasons and admit that SE's encounters are lazy and they DPS because of it. Even doesn't fit with their personal vision of what the role should be. Rather than hold SE responsible they're instead trying to push a square peg in a round hole. And force the healing cohort that have been in MMOs forever to accept their corrupted vision of the role which they want no part of.

You see how utterly ridiculous it is to malign people's intentions going by the most absurd strawman of WHY they advocate for a position? Because I can turn around and do it to you and then the bad blood just goes both ways.

There is not a single MMO I have found where Healers are not expected to do damage when they can when there is downtime in healing. In fact often times the heals in many MMOs do dual purpose and damage enemies while healing allies. The only close to pure healer MMOs I have experienced was WoW because they try not to give any healing downtime at all, and Ragnarok Online which followed DnD conventions where the Holy Magic that the healer classes (Cleric, Priest, High Priest, and Archbishop) used could only harm Undead and Demonic enemy types.

As it stands in this game if the healer is not lending damage when they do not need to heal they are just slowing everything down. In a way pure healers can be seen as griefing because they are just trying to waste others time. While healers trying to maximize DPS while not slacking on their healing duties are not. Though healers who only DPS and do not do their healing job are also seen as griefing (I had an experience like that when I joined my friends for their first Innocence fight, we had 2 SCHs and one of them never cast a healing spell, as a result we wiped a couple times and had to boot them).

[Deathroes]

I agree but what happens when going the extra mile still isn’t enough? I’ve been in primals, raids etc and trust me people will still say you aren’t doing enough. As an Astro I keep my team alive, play with cards, gather seals, dodge mechanics, have to have esp to make sure certain cd’s are ready for raid wides, res and heal that greedy dps/tank who thought they could dps to the last second to try to dodge mechanic. Only to die. Out of all of this if my dps numbers aren’t the best I get bashed? Told I suck? Told I need to dps more. Haha there is no winning as a healer let me tell you. Most of the random strangers you play with seem to have requirements for healers now. If they running the “you know” these people have no chill at all. Healers have it worst because there is so much expected out of us. Tanks? Keep aggro and position the boss correctly, Dps? Just always be casting. Healers we have to do it all plus more. I don’t mind going the extra mile. However if you clearly see me casting and not only keeping you alive and tossing cards around and dodging mechanics correctly and ressing screw ups and dps as much as I’m able then don’t come at me saying I’m not contributing enough dps that’s why we hit enrage.

Yeah but this just seems like a community problem. I can hardly believe you should justifiably get hounded for your lack of dps outside of progression raiding, because there who gives a damn? If you are in progression raiding then you have to "adjust" to the environment. It's like participating in a professional race event and complaining that your team wants you to go faster. I get it, sometimes there is no satisfying people, but that is just how life is lol.

[Deathroes]

Haha it’s all about the dps baby lol. For real though. There are healers who do not neglect their responsibilities as a healer/support first and dps second if everyone is healthy. I got kicked from a party today. Being told I was healing and tossing around cards to much and didn’t do much dps. I said well if people didn’t die to mechanics or needed to be healed every 5 seconds maybe I could dps more. Especially being with a whm co healer who never used regen once and only used médica 2 once after the primals ultimate attack. Never used plenary. Just ocasional afflatus and assize on CD. Then dps all the rest. I even tested them. We took a raid wide and I kept dps and so did the whm. Everyone was at below half their hp for at least 15 seconds lol. I had to heal them up. But I got kicked in the end for not doing more dps. I was like wow lol. Ffxiv has become dps central for healers at least lol.

Sounds like you should report them for using damage meters against you. Like I have said in my post, barring progression raiding, people have no right to complain about you dps as a healer as long as you pass the encounter. Even if there is an enrage timer, Yoshi P. did say that healer dps is not accounted for in the design of the fight right?

[Billythepancake]

Sounds like you should report them for using damage meters against you. Like I have said in my post, barring progression raiding, people have no right to complain about you dps as a healer as long as you pass the encounter. Even if there is an enrage timer, Yoshi P. did say that healer dps is not accounted for in the design of the fight right?

Try clearing E4s without healers doing DPS, unless your dps and tanks are God tier levels, you will hit enraged every single time. Healer dps matters, not to say that's justification for harassment or for kicking people still learning the fight.

[Deathroes]

Haha meters destroyer WoW. Well I shouldn’t say destroyed. It’s a tool that some wow players love and others hate just like ffxiv. I just couldn’t believe it happened. I talked to many people and they all saying if healers aren’t dps enough they will kick them. I mean it’s sorta ridiculous. So what, do I just leave people dead? do I only heal the tank when they are at 5% hp? Should I not draw and give out cards? So I basically just ignore most of my kit and only focus on dps and only heal my team when they have critical hp left? Just to stay in the group? Yeah I don’t think so. I know that elitist community is very small and it’s just unfortunate I encountered them.

I am a WoW refugee, and I can guarantee that the exodus of many WoW veterans was caused by poor class design and poor loot design, not damage meters lol. That is like the last thing in the list of things wrong with WoW these days, IF it even qualifies as a con... but your brushes with the elitist people just seems like you are a pre ShB AST who drew some bad cards back to back to have to party up with such elitist jerks lol. Surely the community as a whole can't be that bad?

[Taika]

Like I have said in my post, barring progression raiding, people have no right to complain about you dps as a healer as long as you pass the encounter.

Do you also think that people have no right to complain about tanks and DDs who only use one ability per minute - as long as the content is cleared - or do you only apply this standard to healers?

Even if there is an enrage timer, Yoshi P. did say that healer dps is not accounted for in the design of the fight right?

As long as there are fights which are literally unbeatable even with perfectly optimised DDs and tanks with zero DPS healers, it doesn't matter what Yoshi P says when it's clearly not how the game works.

[Deathroes]

I only heal in dungeons, but I'll dps if I'm not healing a tank that pulled 15 enemies at once. I can heal and dps on regular pulls, but no so much on large pulls.

As long as you get through a pull you're golden no matter what you do, this isn't something like mythic+ in WoW where your completion time is tied to your rewards. People who come after you for not dpsing are, in my opinion, impatient people who settle for nothing less than instant gratification

[Blum4vi]

One thing I am curious is why people act like we are all born healers.
Guys, you can change classes. I know, right? Shocker!
Just because someone is healing in an instance doesn't mean you can stereotype them "healer" and call them mean names, as I've seen numerous times before on several posts.

I also LOVE how they make up a huge storyline for astrologian, then make every card balance, unnecessarily still give you six cards for no reason since they are all the same thing you put on three different roles.. why even keep arcana if you will butcher it and the main characteristic of class?
Just for the newest 2% of the content because some people just cannot stop crying "heal bad, not dps". How's that fair?