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    Toystore's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynfael View Post
    Year after year, the healer discussion is the same around this topic.

    Players who desperately want only to focus on healing will reach for any rationale to justify not dealing any damage. It's a selfish choice not to DPS at all as healer, but at least a few people are honest about their reasons and admit that they are either lazy or refusing to DPS because it doesn't fit with their personal vision of what the role should be.
    What a horribly unconstructive post.

    Players who desperately want only to focus on dps will reach for any rationale to justify more damage. It's a selfish choice to push DPS maxing as a healer, but at least a few people are honest about their reasons and admit that SE's encounters are lazy and they DPS because of it. Even doesn't fit with their personal vision of what the role should be. Rather than hold SE responsible they're instead trying to push a square peg in a round hole. And force the healing cohort that have been in MMOs forever to accept their corrupted vision of the role which they want no part of.

    You see how utterly ridiculous it is to malign people's intentions going by the most absurd strawman of WHY they advocate for a position? Because I can turn around and do it to you and then the bad blood just goes both ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toystore View Post
    What a horribly unconstructive post.

    Players who desperately want only to focus on dps will reach for any rationale to justify more damage. It's a selfish choice to push DPS maxing as a healer, but at least a few people are honest about their reasons and admit that SE's encounters are lazy and they DPS because of it. Even doesn't fit with their personal vision of what the role should be. Rather than hold SE responsible they're instead trying to push a square peg in a round hole. And force the healing cohort that have been in MMOs forever to accept their corrupted vision of the role which they want no part of.

    You see how utterly ridiculous it is to malign people's intentions going by the most absurd strawman of WHY they advocate for a position? Because I can turn around and do it to you and then the bad blood just goes both ways.
    You can't successfully turn my statement around, because your version of it doesn't make sense.

    Take a look at how the game is designed and how much healing downtime is inherent in the healer role. To ask another old question, what exactly do you do when healing isn't imminently required? How is it not selfish to know that you could be doing more and choose not to?

    If you want to blame SE for how the game is designed, that's a different talking point. As players we have to deal with the framework we're given.
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    Selena Zensh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toystore View Post
    What a horribly unconstructive post.

    Players who desperately want only to focus on dps will reach for any rationale to justify more damage. It's a selfish choice to push DPS maxing as a healer, but at least a few people are honest about their reasons and admit that SE's encounters are lazy and they DPS because of it. Even doesn't fit with their personal vision of what the role should be. Rather than hold SE responsible they're instead trying to push a square peg in a round hole. And force the healing cohort that have been in MMOs forever to accept their corrupted vision of the role which they want no part of.

    You see how utterly ridiculous it is to malign people's intentions going by the most absurd strawman of WHY they advocate for a position? Because I can turn around and do it to you and then the bad blood just goes both ways.
    There is not a single MMO I have found where Healers are not expected to do damage when they can when there is downtime in healing. In fact often times the heals in many MMOs do dual purpose and damage enemies while healing allies. The only close to pure healer MMOs I have experienced was WoW because they try not to give any healing downtime at all, and Ragnarok Online which followed DnD conventions where the Holy Magic that the healer classes (Cleric, Priest, High Priest, and Archbishop) used could only harm Undead and Demonic enemy types.

    As it stands in this game if the healer is not lending damage when they do not need to heal they are just slowing everything down. In a way pure healers can be seen as griefing because they are just trying to waste others time. While healers trying to maximize DPS while not slacking on their healing duties are not. Though healers who only DPS and do not do their healing job are also seen as griefing (I had an experience like that when I joined my friends for their first Innocence fight, we had 2 SCHs and one of them never cast a healing spell, as a result we wiped a couple times and had to boot them).
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