Samurai's 5.05 "Hagakure" Dead on Arrival

[Brownondorf]

am i the only one happy with the current hagakure? They gave it back with some tweeking because sam players needed it to reset sen, plain and simply. Why are people complaining seriously?

[Arkenne]

.... So... turns out that ... it may actually not be dead?
Was dummy hitting some and, as many a SAM may know by now, depending on your Skill speed, you may run into a situation where things just don't... line up.

The 3 things that needs to line up but due to the opener they may be out of place are: Higanbana, Meikyo, and Tsubame.
All these have something to do with Sen, and when it comes to renewing/reusing them, they may come in a time when they get on each other's way, because there is "too much Sen".

Hagakure is here to act as a middle man and say "hey, don't fight, here I'll take these out of the way so you can actually line up now".

Using Hagakure in order to make these 3 line up later on in the fight (not in the opener) may actually be a DPS gain.
As you will not delay Higanbana's DoT renewal to make way for Tsubame, or Midare too soon because you used Meikyo out of time and have Tsubame come in too late.

It is hard to explain the timing in numbers... but I am sure thats as a fellow SAM, you may have run into this situation too... try out Hagakure patch fixing your Sens if you run into this... at least in the 3 minutes dummies, this gave me a 500 DPS gain...

Edit: then again, dummies so, disclaimer.

[CapDL]

If you use Hagakure eat one sen you will loose 150 potency per minute, what a stupid design. Does the designer of SAM really play SAM before?

[Ryaz]

If you use Hagakure eat one sen you will loose 150 potency per minute, what a stupid design. Does the designer of SAM really play SAM before?

You're not supposed to use Hagakure as part of your rotation. Its merely a quality of life skill to make phase changes and dungeons runs less annoying.

Not sure why people still think it's supposed to be used in your rotation.

[Arkenne]

If you use Hagakure eat one sen you will loose 150 potency per minute, what a stupid design.

Yea, I am aware that eating the Sen with Hagakure will be a direct DPS loss, that much is obvious to the eye...
But how much is the other side of the coin tho?
How much is lost by delaying Tsubame because you Midared too soon?
How much is lost by waiting for a better moment to use Meikyo because if you use it on CD you end up messing up Midare timing for Tsubame?

You are only counting one side here... I am not saying Hagakure is meant to use constantly on rotation... but that I "feel" it may have this "hidden" feature that you are overlooking because its a glaringly obvious 150 DPS loss.

Again, I am not suggesting it to be used on rotation, but to eat 1 single Sen and never again inbetween the regular rotation after the opener and the 2nd Tsubame to fix the timing of those 3 skills.
But, its ok, I know its too wild an idea, Im skeptical myself, maybe all I need is to Yaten Enpi... will still keep testing out. At least in what I've tested so far, it allows a marvelous 2nd Burst phase.

[Divinemights]

Yea, I am aware that eating the Sen with Hagakure will be a direct DPS loss, Bur.

Sorry, i am a little confused, new hakagkure don’t need sen to use. As long as you are in combat, it gives you 50 kit per god use. Why is it dead on arrival? Am I wrong?

[Reilyn]

I do hope we're past the point of people needing to be told hagakure is primarily there to fix opener/post downtime leftover sen awkwardness.

[Hix]

Sorry, i am a little confused, new hakagkure don’t need sen to use. As long as you are in combat, it gives you 50 kit per god use. Why is it dead on arrival? Am I wrong?

That's Ikishoten, not Hagakure

[wereotter]

If you use Hagakure eat one sen you will loose 150 potency per minute, what a stupid design. Does the designer of SAM really play SAM before?

It's now a skill to be used in specific situations rather than be a part of your rotation.

Example of this: Eden Prime. You finish adds phase with 2 sen. When Eden Prime lands, you can either do a weak midare since you don't have your buffs, or you can eat your sen so you can apply higanbana as soon as possible.

The situations in which you will use the skill likely won't be often, but it is important for samurai to have a means of resetting their sen.