WHM going to become black sheep of healers again

[Billythepancake]

mmm let me see:
- SCH has better personal dps then WHM (little better but still better)
- SCH has better healing kit than WHM (sch was king of healing + barriers that could crit lol)
- SCH has better utility than WHM (whm has 0 utility at all lol)
- SCH has better mana managment than WHM
- SCH has pet - got lot of situations when pet's healing was enough and I was dpsing lol
- WHM got cure II <--- wow
- WHM got cure III <--- never used in HW and in most SB encounters ... (ofc in Shb cure III is more usefull now)

after I tried scholar when i mained WHM since whole HW and begining of SB I NEVER EVER wanted to play WHM again cause it was no point sch was better in everything
I was charmed how SCH was on godly tier there days

and yeah whm was fine ^^

Then that's on you, you CHOSE to play scholar, nobody forced you to swap from your "favorite" class

[LariaKirin]

mmm let me see:
- SCH has better personal dps then WHM (little better but still better)
- SCH has better healing kit than WHM (sch was king of healing + barriers that could crit lol)
- SCH has better utility than WHM (whm has 0 utility at all lol)
- SCH has better mana managment than WHM
- SCH has pet - got lot of situations when pet's healing was enough and I was dpsing lol
- WHM got cure II <--- wow
- WHM got cure III <--- never used in HW and in most SB encounters ... (ofc in Shb cure III is more usefull now)

after I tried scholar when i mained WHM since whole HW and begining of SB I NEVER EVER wanted to play WHM again cause it was no point sch was better in everything
I was charmed how SCH was on godly tier there days

and yeah whm was fine ^^

WHM could and still can output significantly more healing. SCH had a better healing kit, yes, but better for what? Better for DPS.

Barriers don't mean anything unless they save you from damage that would otherwise kill you. If something is not lethal without barriers, then barriers are pointless.

MP Management was/is a nothingburger. Fairy was a free permanent regen.

As I said. Meta is pure raw potential DPS output. Simple as that.
And the difference was not so big that it would make a difference to regular groups. So I repeat:

If your group forced you to play AST/SCH because of the "meta", then your group was either a speedrun group or plain stupid.

[NanaWiloh]

Just out of shear curiousity and the fact that I have not played a WHM since HW. What exactly in detail are the issues WHM have currently?

[nalol]

Just out of shear curiousity and the fact that I have not played a WHM since HW. What exactly in detail are the issues WHM have currently?

they may be a bit boring ?

and only issue they'd have is no dump for lillies ... especially sice whm need to use lillies often to have misery. but other than that whm dps is still better than sch .. even if u look at rdps and not pdps.

[Dynia]

Then that's on you, you CHOSE to play scholar, nobody forced you to swap from your "favorite" class

and why should I keep playing weaker class when I can get something better ? that weird that every slot opened in PF was always astro and scholar no1 want WHM ...
im not masochist, im always pick better option in life when I can

Just out of shear curiousity and the fact that I have not played a WHM since HW. What exactly in detail are the issues WHM have currently?

currently is fine if you count that have 0 utility just healing and damage
the whole drama I made that whm is getting forgotten again in patch notes to buff that class

in the last 2 expansions whm was weak and unwanted healer I just don't want to history repeat itself ...
last 2 expansions sch and ast keep getting bufs every patch and whm got nothing like in last patch 5.05 ...

I don't want SE forget about WHM again

[kidalutz]

Just out of shear curiousity and the fact that I have not played a WHM since HW. What exactly in detail are the issues WHM have currently?

Well Nana I'm glad you asked. You see every single time that Square does changes for SCH or AST they have a history of doing so much so quickly that WHM gets overlooked every single time. Which in turn winds up leaving the job as the bench warmer in most groups that are aiming for speed runs (Almost everyone from mid expansion on Last Expansion WHM was benched first Quarter because they really made AST too stupidly powerful) This also happened from about HW endgame where they overcompensated AST because (they sucked even harder than they did SHB Launch) WHM gets benched every single time because who needs uber powerful healing when you already know all the mechs by heart and can avoid most of the damage.And that's about all WHM is able to bring to the table because they never get touched beyond the first expansion patch Thier DPS "Kit" is more or less the same every expansion for damage.And yet SCH and AST get overbuffed to make up for the "dressing down" they get at Expansion Launch SCH even got back a DPS button/mp gatherer/aetherflow burner AST got ALOT of stuff but keep asking for more which they will likely get to the point that they're back at Stormblood levels while once more WHM will not get any changes utility or the like and be sat on the bench and the majority (And by Majority I do mean Majority not all) of ASTs and SCHs will go back to not giving a crap cause their preferred class is back on top.

Plus how often do you see people act rationally when theres something that might possibly affect their mains?
The only reason I do (WHM has been my Main Forever going back to WHM being my Main again) Is because I'm capable of distancing myself and trying to think through the issue logically and try to come up with solutions and ideas that might prevent the issues such as Synergy abilities and the like.

[Greywolfamakir]

Nice bait post dude...

WHM will be bad....sure....

[Billythepancake]

and why should I keep playing weaker class when I can get something better ? that weird that every slot opened in PF was always astro and scholar no1 want WHM ...
im not masochist, im always pick better option in life when I can



currently is fine if you count that have 0 utility just healing and damage
the whole drama I made that whm is getting forgotten again in patch notes to buff that class

in the last 2 expansions whm was weak and unwanted healer I just don't want to history repeat itself ...
last 2 expansions sch and ast keep getting bufs every patch and whm got nothing like in last patch 5.05 ...

I don't want SE forget about WHM again

The only parties I ever saw exclude WHM were parse runs and speed kills, which, makes sense, meta's entire purpose is for those very reasons. Most groups I saw didnt give a s*** about what their healers were.

[Dynia]

The only parties I ever saw exclude WHM were parse runs and speed kills, which, makes sense, meta's entire purpose is for those very reasons. Most groups I saw didnt give a s*** about what their healers were.

why any1 would pick whm that was bad over sch with godly tier or astro with godly bufs ?

lets say you have your faviorite food, lets say its hamburger (example)
you love your burger but there is day SE come and put poison to your burger, will you still eat it when is poisoned ?

same was with whm in the past, SE keep adding poison to my faviorite class (with patches) too much, that I had to leave it and pick another food called schoolar here ...

I can't eat my faviorite food cause is poisoned too much ...

[347SPECTRE]

Well Nana I'm glad you asked. You see every single time that Square does changes for SCH or AST they have a history of doing so much so quickly that WHM gets overlooked every single time. Which in turn winds up leaving the job as the bench warmer in most groups that are aiming for speed runs (Almost everyone from mid expansion on Last Expansion WHM was benched first Quarter because they really made AST too stupidly powerful) This also happened from about HW endgame where they overcompensated AST because (they sucked even harder than they did SHB Launch) WHM gets benched every single time because who needs uber powerful healing when you already know all the mechs by heart and can avoid most of the damage.And that's about all WHM is able to bring to the table because they never get touched beyond the first expansion patch Thier DPS "Kit" is more or less the same every expansion for damage.And yet SCH and AST get overbuffed to make up for the "dressing down" they get at Expansion Launch SCH even got back a DPS button/mp gatherer/aetherflow burner AST got ALOT of stuff but keep asking for more which they will likely get to the point that they're back at Stormblood levels while once more WHM will not get any changes utility or the like and be sat on the bench and the majority (And by Majority I do mean Majority not all) of ASTs and SCHs will go back to not giving a crap cause their preferred class is back on top.

Plus how often do you see people act rationally when theres something that might possibly affect their mains?
The only reason I do (WHM has been my Main Forever going back to WHM being my Main again) Is because I'm capable of distancing myself and trying to think through the issue logically and try to come up with solutions and ideas that might prevent the issues such as Synergy abilities and the like.

With that, they really need to stop nerfing SCH/AST at the beginning of expansions or this pattern you just layed out will continue. What the devs need to start doing is looking at all healers equally and instead of nerfing, see where any jobs might be lacking in comparison to the others within the role and bring that/those jobs up to par with the other(s). A bit like what they did with tanks, while there are some discrepancies here and there, tanks this expansion are pretty dang balanced.