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    Quote Originally Posted by Drayos View Post
    oh wait i ment 5800 not 8 LOL!

    2400+ 2400

    + the Spell between.

    Ur going to use a 200-500 Mana Ability between i gues sit could be Lower if u use a 200, but generally i've just Used a Heal + a Rezz, as Generally if ur healers Dead ur Tank needs Something.

    500+2400+500+2400.
    Swiftcast also exists. A double verraise costs 4800. Don't use vercure to proc dualcast for verraise for that same reason, jolt 2 works just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    It is pretty much infinite now. I did some testing. Red Mage can now last 6 minutes with a normal rotation before needing lucid. It takes 6 minutes to go from 10000 MP to not enough to cast a spell.
    and Considering Prog as its mainly what RDM Is Used for.

    What happens once u Die :P ur going to require Lucid Immediately.. Lucid is Also saved alot for when u Die. incase u need to insta Pop it from that state which should really be the first concept unless u REALLY need to use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell View Post
    Swiftcast also exists. A double verraise costs 4800. Don't use vercure to proc dualcast for verraise for that same reason, jolt 2 works just fine.
    Swiftcast does, but THat Garuntees ur taking ur DPS Lost to NOT involve that in ur DPS Rotations and Saving it for Rezzs. in a Primary situation where u'd cast 2 Rezzs, the likelyhood is ur Healers Dead, If ur tanks Living against a boss THey likelyhood is Healing the tank for the Dual Cast is More Likely survival Wise compared to Jolting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drayos View Post
    Swiftcast does, but THat Garuntees ur taking ur DPS Lost to NOT involve that in ur DPS Rotations and Saving it for Rezzs.
    So be it? Prog is more important in prog than leet deeps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell View Post
    So be it? Prog is more important in prog than leet deeps.
    its More important then L33t Dps Sure, but if u hit the Enrage because No ones Trying to do anything to add Deeps ur Not reaching the end either way. and once your farming content ur more likely to try optimise the Fight. but i guess u wont Need Verraise in a Farm Fight reguardless as its a Much lower risk of someone actually dying lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drayos View Post
    and Considering Prog as its mainly what RDM Is Used for.

    What happens once u Die :P ur going to require Lucid Immediately.. Lucid is Also saved alot for when u Die. incase u need to insta Pop it from that state which should really be the first concept unless u REALLY need to use it.
    Like in Stormblood if you die then lucid will quickly get you back on your feet. Red Mage hardly needs lucid now unless they die or they raise multiple times.
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  7. #37
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    If you hit enrage due to lost damage from raising, it's not your raising to blame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell View Post
    If you hit enrage due to lost damage from raising, it's not your raising to blame.
    My point was, everyone Can save lots of Things "incase" of something, Sometimes u gotta Use Something Instead of trying to hold everything til the last minute. there are DPS Checks throughout Some Fights, and Sometimes u do have to blow LB3 or Something if its Too Tight Such as titania with the 3 Adds. while Yes it could save ur Life. if ur In a Predicament which Places ur Entire Wipe on the Lack of a SC, the likelyhood was u were gonna wipe anyway.

    there are only so many who can die At the same time before trying to Repeat Raising Wont work for you. u would Generally hold a LB3 for the Healers then trying to Stack store CDs. it will bring you back from a Wipe So much better then Spam Raising is, as Naturally everyone u raise. is Weaker for 2minutes of a Fight for taking ur Raise.

    i thought Verraise was 3500 tbh, Which would have Led to inital thoughts it costed alot more then it Did.

    but i still Wouldnt Say RDM is above Summoner in terms of Viability :P, they do Quite abit more Damage then we Do and Sure insta Raise is Nice. but i really wouldnt Say i Saw many teams on Twitch Running a RDM. and Summoner is Still mroe popular In Parses then RDM is in Savage.

    RDM is still the Least used one of the Three :P even on the DAY of Release, Litterally More people took BLM into Prog then RDM was taken into Prog. if it doesnt say enough.. i dont know what will.
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    Last edited by Drayos; 08-01-2019 at 04:54 PM.

  9. #39
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    I don't remember making the claim RDM is more viable than SMN. My original statement was "it would be nice to not have to main two jobs just because one mains a caster."

    And your point is moot because, as I stated, if you're raising that much and see enrage, it wasn't the swiftcasted verthunder that was gonna save you. The weakness and brink that the raised players have is much more responsible.
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    I suppose I did call it a prog mage. Fair enough.
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