SMN; How do poison DoTs fit the class?

[Razard]

Did you even read the page you posted? Bio and Poison are BLACK MAGICS! This has nothing to do with Rydia being a Summoner, she has two classes, same as Yuna being a Summoner and a White Mage. But that doesn't mean Holy, Cure and Esuna are Summoning magics, obviously.

Ahh But you said:

Summoner is a classic FF job, it has never ever had anything to do with DoTs.

So here is a classic Summoner, from a village of Summoners, using poison magic, which have Damage Over Time properties.

So yeah, there is a precedent.

[Roda]

We can hope, but there's a lot of lore they have to be willing to sacrifice, and sacrificing lore is basically a cardinal sin as far as the devs are concerned. But it needs to happen.

I'd also like for Summoner to have the book removed as a primary weapon. By all means keep the old books because they're there, but start replacing SMN with a new weapon, such as a whip, and fully separate it from Scholar at this point. SCH makes a ton of sense with having books, SMN really doesn't. And by having half as many books, they can make each book feel more unique because the designers won't be stepping on each other's toes trying to make SMN and SCH books unique. Books are already stupidly limited in terms of uniqueness because they're a very specific defined shape, so it doesn't help that 2 separate classes share the same specific weapon.

But this all hinges on the devs being willing to make the necessary sacrifice to start moving summoner along its way to where it needs to be.

Whips? I'd rather they use those for beastmasters. Whips aren't very casty. :T
Books are fine imo. a good caster tool that isn't a rod or alembic (fancy rod) like they were originally.

[Sequora]

Ahh But you said:



So here is a classic Summoner, from a village of Summoners, using poison magic, which have Damage Over Time properties.

So yeah, there is a precedent.

It still feels lazy. One summoner in the history of the series had two spells. It was definitely laziness. Diseases and poisons go with pet classes in so many other MMOs. Every other class flows into their job. Tham flows very naturally into BLM. Gladiator flows very naturally into PLD. Arcanist does not flow well into SMN.

[Brightshadow]

Black Mage is her subjob not her main.

[dinnertime]

It still feels lazy. One summoner in the history of the series had two spells. It was definitely laziness. Diseases and poisons go with pet classes in so many other MMOs. Every other class flows into their job. Tham flows very naturally into BLM. Gladiator flows very naturally into PLD. Arcanist does not flow well into SMN.

You're forgetting Bard lol

[dinnertime]

To be honest they should push "oGCDs and instant casts for days" as SMN's identity, but I don't think they'll ever remove DoTs just so they don't alienate the 3 or 4 people that love SMN for being a DoT-based job.
SMN was becoming less and less of a DoT-based job and more of a bursty ogcd mobile caster as expansions go but for some reason in 5.0 they went backwards.

[Sequora]

To be honest they should push "oGCDs and instant casts for days" as SMN's identity, but I don't think they'll ever remove DoTs just so they don't alienate the 3 or 4 people that love SMN for being a DoT-based job.
SMN was becoming less and less of a DoT-based job and more of a bursty ogcd mobile caster as expansions go but for some reason in 5.0 they went backwards.

I don’t mind DoTs, I would just like them to not be poisons. It doesn’t fit. Make them elemental DoTs.

[Nyoraii]

Ahh But you said:
So here is a classic Summoner, from a village of Summoners, using poison magic, which have Damage Over Time properties.

So yeah, there is a precedent.

You know you're not making any sense right now, right? Again, with your same flawed reasoning, Summoners should also have white magic because Garnet/Eiko were Summoners and White Mages.

Rydia could use Poison and Bio because she also has access to Black Magic, from the same page you posted:

She is the first dedicated Summoner in the Final Fantasy series, and also excels in casting Black Magic,

It doesn't have anything to do with Summoning.

[Drayos]

Did you even read the page you posted? Bio and Poison are BLACK MAGICS! This has nothing to do with Rydia being a Summoner, she has two classes, same as Yuna being a Summoner and a White Mage. But that doesn't mean Holy, Cure and Esuna are Summoning magics, obviously.

Just admit, the design for SMN in this game is just a poor excuse for a wow Warlock because the devs had no idea how to make a pet class work without copying it from other games, maybe because of incompetence, maybe because of time constraints.

This is a opinon not a fact buddy. And it feels nothing like a warlock from world of Warcraft lol.

And for record

SHB summoner > BFA warlock. Lol,

[Taranok]

This is a opinon not a fact buddy. And it feels nothing like a warlock from world of Warcraft lol.

And for record

SHB summoner > BFA warlock. Lol,

It definitely did in ARR compared to vanilla warlock (and thereabouts). The classes original design was strongly inspired by WoW's warlock and was almost exclusively a dot class that happened to do other things occasionally.

The Summoner of ShB is still being impacted by its original roots in ARR.