Summoner 5.05 changes are in

[dinnertime]

Believe it or not, Summoner is actually not in a bad position. If a class is bad you don't want it to be full of meh issues that are easy to procrastinate on; you want it to be a disaster.

I'll have to disagree there. Arguably SMN is the least desirable caster out of the three now with RDM's MP issues alleviated (yay more raises I guess) and its party buff still better than SMN's, while BLM completely overshadows both of them.

Yes, all jobs are still viable even with the issues so whatever, things like that, but we can't ignore those issues either. SMN does have big problems already talked about to death on both the english and japanese forums which should convince you that it's actually in a bad place.

[Goji1639]

I'll have to disagree there. Arguably SMN is the least desirable caster out of the three now with RDM's MP issues alleviated (yay more raises I guess) and its party buff still better than SMN's, while BLM completely overshadows both of them.

Yes, all jobs are still viable even with the issues so whatever, things like that, but we can't ignore those issues either. SMN does have big problems already talked about to death on both the english and japanese forums which should convince you that it's actually in a bad place.

No doubt, I'm mainly just saying the summoner is in a good place because it's problems are numerous and difficult to ignore. I've played MMO's a lot in the past and have seen many mediocre classes get overlooked for years, simply because they weren't THAT bad. In the position Summoner is in I'd say it's all but guaranteed to get addressed relatively soon.

[Nyoraii]

No doubt, I'm mainly just saying the summoner is in a good place because it's problems are numerous and difficult to ignore. I've played MMO's a lot in the past and have seen many mediocre classes get overlooked for years, simply because they weren't THAT bad. In the position Summoner is in I'd say it's all but guaranteed to get addressed relatively soon.

Hahah I completely agree, 500 IQ post imo.

The worst thing that can happen to a class is to be "passable", because if they can procrastinate and not work on it, they will do just that.

[Siete]

Hahah I completely agree, 500 IQ post imo.

The worst thing that can happen to a class is to be "passable", because if they can procrastinate and not work on it, they will do just that.

Well, I come from WoW and I've witnesses horribly performing classes stay like that for years, expansions long.