Patch 5.05 DPS balance discussion Nin+Dnc

[RoricRayner]

The obsession with DPS is actually pointless without knowing enrage timers. Pretty much nobody here plays at a level where they are going for speed-clear world records. As soon as you hit the enrage, the best class is the one that can recover from mistakes, and cover for others mistakes, the best. And needs the least healing/space. And the least attention from others through buffs, and so on.

I find it to be hilariously funny how the NA crowd is always so concerned about DPS in a vacuum. This has never mattered in any MMORPG in the history of MMORPGs, as long as you got the enrage timers beat. Being alive and not needing to be fed by others is always better than pushing out a little more DPS than the others.

Not to mention, I can guarantee you, if NIN was top DPS, nobody relevant could play them reliably at that level. Parse a few fights to see what I mean, but I simply dont believe anybody here pushes out the numbers we see in those parses, not even close.

I do okay DPS, 9.5k on titania and 9.2k on innocence so not at the speed running dps for dancers but it kinda feels bad when I do go into pug runs and see how low my damage is knowing my utility doesn't give as much damage as it should to make up for it. I just want to feel a bit more comparable in terms of rDPS. I don't mind being last in pDPS. When I am running at 90%+ and I see other classes performing worst but contributing more, its just not a good feeling I guess? If it was by a small margin it would not really bug me because it wouldn't be as noticeable but the point of this post was because I saw a major disparity between blm and drg vs nin and dnc and the fact that it wasn't really addressed by the patch notes. Personally I feel like utility should be buffed or personal damage for ninja and dancer should be buffed to be more in line with other classes. Possibly removing utility and doing what Laur1x said would work too but personally I like the idea of working together to strengthen everyone so I enjoy the utility aspect of groups and group comps. I kind of liked the idea of utility jobs being good for coordinated statics and selfish dps classes being good at more disorganized groups or pugs. That way both have a niche they can be good at. Right now it feels like high utility jobs aren't really as good at the other jobs at anything.

[Dogempire]

When I am running at 90%+ and I see other classes performing worst but contributing more, its just not a good feeling I guess?

That pretty much sums up how I feel about playing dancer, even though it's meant to be a support class the fact that you can't outdps a mediocre samurai or blm even when you're playing much more optimally is just kind of depressing.