WHM going to become black sheep of healers again

**Hatstand** · 07-30-2019 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by LariaKirin

Nonsense. AST is plenty busy during downtime, but I don't see people swarming to play it. WHM didn't change much, but people suddenly find it fun? Please. It's not a coincidence that the most liked job is the one with the highest numbers.

Thanks SE for Energy Drain. That is all SCH needed.

Disclaimer: I haven’t played AST in the new system. Haven’t had the heart. But it seems to me that the complexity in the new AST card system is entirely mechanical. Take note of highest performing melee and ranged dps. Apply buff to correct target. Fish for seals. Waste the rest of your cards on minor arcana so you don’t stuff your seals then divination. The old system was unpredictable, and you had to be very aware of what was going on to make the most of it. That is the kind of complexity I want. The same sort of complexity that made me want to heal (and be aware of what’s going on with any given run and using my skills appropriately) rather than play a dps with a mechanically fiddly rotation.

P.S. If my interpretation of the current system is wrong, please tell me.

**Misutoraru** · 07-30-2019 06:58 PM

You are not helping anything but put fuel into the ppl who think there is a war between healer
And in your case, you are not doing WHM any good.
A logical debate with data support is always welcome.
You should get a thread with facts but not emotional speculation without any support

**LariaKirin** · 07-30-2019 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Hatstand

Disclaimer: I haven’t played AST in the new system. Haven’t had the heart. But it seems to me that the complexity in the new AST card system is entirely mechanical. Take note of highest performing melee and ranged dps. Apply buff to correct target. Fish for seals. Waste the rest of your cards on minor arcana so you don’t stuff your seals then divination. The old system was unpredictable, and you had to be very aware of what was going on to make the most of it. That is the kind of complexity I want. The same sort of complexity that made me want to heal (and be aware of what’s going on with any given run and using my skills appropriately) rather than play a dps with a mechanically fiddly rotation.

P.S. If my interpretation of the current system is wrong, please tell me.

It's as complex as you want to make it. You could just drop it on the highest performer, but that's not always the right option. For example, if you get a melee card after the SAM just blew his load, you might even consider dropping the card on the warrior whose Inner Release window is coming up. I've not made any calculations and I don't play AST much, but you get the point. If you want my opinion, I think the new card system is better than the old fish-for-balance.

But regardless, my point is that people say they want complexity, but they do not mean it, otherwise they'd be swarming to play AST.

**Hatstand** · 07-30-2019 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by LariaKirin

It's as complex as you want to make it. You could just drop it on the highest performer, but that's not always the right option. For example, if you get a melee card after the SAM just blew his load, you might even consider dropping the card on the warrior whose Inner Release window is coming up. I've not made any calculations and I don't play AST much, but you get the point. If you want my opinion, I think the new card system is better than the old fish-for-balance.

But regardless, my point is that people say they want complexity, but they do not mean it, otherwise they'd be swarming to play AST.

That’s a decent point. It won’t make much of a difference in 4 man content where there isn’t much of a choice of who to buff, but it’s enough to tempt me to pick up AST again, so thank you.

That said, I still wish there was some variety. I’d like to see a damage mitigation and mana Regen buff in there, along with royal road (perhaps modified to no longer have aoe, but only extend or empower). That way you get your balance often enough (2/3 times) and most times you’ll be able to use any other buffs you don’t need to buff your next balance, but in those situations where damage mitigation and extra mp come in handy you could have those handy.

**Dynia** · 07-30-2019 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Selova

What does this have to do with anything? All you're doing is spitting incoherent babble that doesn't make any sense. OMG they gave back SCH energy drain? That clearly means WHM is a dead job. Seriously just stop, this is seriously embarassing.

cause they going to buff scholar even more, they are going to do same damage and guess who ppls will take to raids ? sch with shields ? or whm without anything when they do SAME damage ?

Originally Posted by Lunafreya

LMAO WHM IS OVERPOWERED as hell currently.

cause of ppls like you we whm was shit in HW and SB

Originally Posted by Saefinn

More than half. But we got one back.

You're complaining about WHM, though there are many inaccuracies in the statements you've made there are still reasons to complain about WHM.
SCH and AST got shafted too. Which is why, like you, they also have complaints.

At the end of the day everybody wants to enjoy playing their healer job. I don't get why you have such a grudge against the issues of other healers. Most of the feedback I've seen since ShB hasn't been attacking WHM. Most of the time it has been a case of people supporting the idea of bringing WHM up and not dragging the other healers down. I'm a SCH, I don't want to be OP, I want to enjoy my job. I would like to see WHM's enjoy their jobs. I want to see AST's enjoy their job. Because each and everyone of us were invested in our jobs, we picked them up and found something we love in them and changes have taken that away. For WHM it was gradual, for SCH/AST it was less so. Now we're all in the same boat, so I don't see why there's a need to bicker about it.

All this patch literally did was close some of the balance issues from ShB and 1 or 2 QoL things. There's still problems. We're still gonna present feedback until they're addressed. You're welcome to join us, but please, use facts and not misinformation and lose the chip on your shoulder against other healers.

scholars QQ so I can't ? I rly don't want see that NO1 WANT whm for raids AGAIN

Originally Posted by Billythepancake

And? That's still the case, we're happy to have ED back, sure, but you're insane if you think that alone is enough to make scholar magically OP, when it's a well needed aetherflow dump. And if they do give us back our rotation to shut us up, they can still let WHM stay at its higher pDPS by doing this 1 simple fix, reduce potencies on the abilities scholar has.

I argue this, but I've seen you post enough to know you'll still whine that, God forbid, a class be fun. a class cant be both engaging and balanced, if it's fun and engaging that automatically equals OP.

I played SCH used stacks only for drain, you have no idea how much mana you can get from it, this skill is OP

**Hatstand** · 07-30-2019 07:28 PM