White Mage Overflow

[galbsadi]

Lets just say Astro is a complete train wreck.

So, I've been leveling AST and WHM lately....and, yeah, pretty much.

It's to the point that if I'm going to go healer for a leveling roulette (i.e. where I'll be the only healer)...I will try to avoid AST if at all possible.

WHM, OTOH, feels fantastic, to the point that, when healing, I'm actually even shelving my main in favor of it outside of my static.

[GrimGale]

WHM is the most popular because how its kit feels to play.
WHM is the only healer whose kit builds up to something. It's the satisfaction of the blood lilly that makes it so popular.

You use the lillies, you weave damage and healing and then are rewarded with a big burst of lights and numbers.

SCH's kit has no build up, just a bunch of CDs at your disposal to burn at your whim.

AST's kit has a sense of build up with the seals, but it's awkwardly frustrating to build and most of the time you are delayed by the long CD on divination which forces you to burn cards on Minor Arcana which doesn't feel good at all.

[Lodi]

WHM is the most popular because how its kit feels to play.
WHM is the only healer whose kit builds up to something. It's the satisfaction of the blood lilly that makes it so popular.

You use the lillies, you weave damage and healing and then are rewarded with a big burst of lights and numbers.

SCH's kit has no build up, just a bunch of CDs at your disposal to burn at your whim.

AST's kit has a sense of build up with the seals, but it's awkwardly frustrating to build and most of the time you are delayed by the long CD on divination which forces you to burn cards on Minor Arcana which doesn't feel good at all.

Not to mention that Misery consistently deals a lot of damage (you can very easily get 40k+ without crits, which is very satisfying to look at as a healer), while Divination takes twice as long, is still subject to RNG, and gives a weak buff nobody will notice, not even yourself.

AST's buildup is rewarded by the faint feeling that you might have done something, while WHM's is rewarded with a massive nuke.


Choose your fighter.

[GrimGale]

Not to mention that Misery consistently deals a lot of damage (you can very easily get 40k+ without crits, which is very satisfying to look at as a healer), while Divination takes twice as long, is still subject to RNG, and gives a weak buff nobody will notice, not even yourself.

AST's buildup is rewarded by the faint feeling that you might have done something, while WHM's is rewarded with a massive nuke.


Choose your fighter.

To make divination more satisfying I would:
-Shorten CD. 100s at worst. With a shorter CD there is also less room for mistakes with the seals. Messing up seal order is much more punishing now.
-Buff its damage boost above Cards and Minor Arcana. Neither should give a stronger buff than Divination. It's your moment to shine and it should feel much more impactfull.
-Expand its range. Nothing feels worse than using it and seeing the Range dpss without their buffs.
-Have the buff cause some sort of visual effect on the party members, have their characters glow with power for the duration. Something non intrusive but noticeable as to let them know the AST is empowering them.

[LukaRoselia]

This is true from my experience as well, but I don't think it's only because WHM is so powerful right now, but more because WHM is actually fun to play in Shadowbringers, unlike SCH and AST. AST is obviously undertuned, but what SCH needs the most is more engaging gameplay instead of just ridiculously strong OCD heals and Broil spam.

This all the way.

They barely changed White Mage whereas they massively changed Astrologian and Scholar into something people don't like, so people pick White Mage. White Mage is fine, its Scholar and Astrologian that need major changes. (And imo AST didn't need changes at all)

[Yuyuka3]

This all the way.

They barely changed White Mage whereas they massively changed Astrologian and Scholar into something people don't like, so people pick White Mage. White Mage is fine, its Scholar and Astrologian that need major changes. (And imo AST didn't need changes at all)

What I don't get is.
WHM was called "boring" for about 4 years now, if not longer. They never really changed anything about how the job feels, never really fixed its main problems, it took them two years to make Lilies useful but the job still feels clunky to me in quite a few situations. So how the frick is WHM suddenly fun if it was "braindead boring" for most before???

Sorry, but in statements like this, from how people talked before, all I see is a lot of bias and making your own job worse than it is... there isn't even that much difference between WHM and SCH anymore (not saying that's good even if I like the new SCH, just how it is), so if WHM feels good to play, apparently even to SCH mains, why not SCH itself? "They changed it, now it sucks" even if the way it got changed makes it similar to another job that's suddenly considered fun? Can you people please make up your minds already, especially on the SCH and WHM issue?

AST is currently the only healer that really needs changes. It just makes me sad that the changes they will get will, with 90% certainty, bench WHM again...

[Hatstand]

What I don't get is.
WHM was called "boring" for about 4 years now, if not longer. They never really changed anything about how the job feels, never really fixed its main problems, it took them two years to make Lilies useful but the job still feels clunky to me in quite a few situations. So how the frick is WHM suddenly fun if it was "braindead boring" for most before???

Sorry, but in statements like this, from how people talked before, all I see is a lot of bias and making your own job worse than it is... there isn't even that much difference between WHM and SCH anymore (not saying that's good even if I like the new SCH, just how it is), so if WHM feels good to play, apparently even to SCH mains, why not SCH itself? "They changed it, now it sucks" even if the way it got changed makes it similar to another job that's suddenly considered fun? Can you people please make up your minds already, especially on the SCH and WHM issue?

AST is currently the only healer that really needs changes. It just makes me sad that the changes they will get will, with 90% certainty, bench WHM again...

The thing is, and I know this might sound bad, I didn't mind that WHM was boring because I had an alternative that I liked. I assumed that the people who played WHM liked it. Maybe the style appealed more to them than to me. WHM isn't nearly as fun now as SCH used to be, in my opinion. It's just more fun than SCH became in 5.0.

That said, now that I'm aware WHMs want changes, I'm happy to support them. Although the WHMs who seem to resent us for wanting our job to be fun makes it a lot harder to root for them. I wouldn't be surprised if several other players feel much the same.

[Lodi]

What I don't get is.
WHM was called "boring" for about 4 years now, if not longer. They never really changed anything about how the job feels, never really fixed its main problems, it took them two years to make Lilies useful but the job still feels clunky to me in quite a few situations. So how the frick is WHM suddenly fun if it was "braindead boring" for most before???

Because the other two got boring-er, so we go to the least boring job.


I started levelling SCH before 5.0, and I was having a blast because I had to press more buttons than just 1 and 2... and then Shadowbringers came and told me I am not allowed to have fun anymore.

As for AST, it became so weak the only thing that could prove our existence was whether or not our team is alive; AST damage and buffs are now so low they're almost noexistent.

WHM? We kept our self buff, and traded our aoe dot for an aoe nuke later on, and on top of that we finally got a real use for our lilies!


My love for WHM might be Stockholm syndrome at this point, but the other healers are simply not appealing to me in their current state.