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    kidalutz's Avatar
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    Sigrun Helasdottir
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    Quote Originally Posted by TankHunter678 View Post
    Not all that different. Zeno's entire thing for seeking challenge is all self serving for his own pleasure. What I talked about is for the exact same reasons. Self serving for the sake of personal pleasure, one that could only be experienced in the clamour of battle where no one can complain about a healer healing people who are suffering. Even if the heals may... "miss" the intended target and prolong the fight.
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    Except look at how far you are reaching to try and make Zenos relatable as a shadow to the Protagonist? You have cherry picked what if so hard that the dead characters you used are even cringing. Use everything Zenos has shown in his screen time that has made him comparable as the Protagonists Shadow? Cause frankly after doing all of his appearances in my journal again I'm still coming up with Saturday Morning Cartoon Villains Right Hand Man.He's this guy.Didnt work out for this guy.

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    Last edited by kidalutz; 07-29-2019 at 07:23 PM.

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    Selena Zensh
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidalutz View Post
    Except look at how far you are reaching to try and make Zenos relatable as a shadow to the Protagonist? You have cherry picked what if so hard that the dead characters you used are even cringing. Use everything Zenos has shown in his screen time that has made him comparable as the Protagonists Shadow? Cause frankly after doing all of his appearances in my journal again I'm still coming up with Saturday Morning Cartoon Villains Right Hand Man.He's this guy.Didnt work out for this guy.
    If you want someone flatter you could always go for Vauthry, whose immense pride and honest belief in himself being a god is something that the player character could have found themselves falling into with how much they were being elevated by their peers and how seemingly unstoppable they had been. To be honest I never really did like Zenos all that much, and I was in a way happy to see him be satisfied and take his exit from the story. He deserved to die, and did so on terms he agreed with. He became satisfied at last and took to exit the stage... only to get screwed over by his own plan.

    I am not trying to make Zenos relatable. Zenos is a simple character with simple desires that are hard for him to attain, who will do whatever it takes for him to attain those desires, and will shape the world around him however necessary to satisfy those desires. Something that the player character as shown in the DRK 30-50 quests wants to be able to do, pursue their own desires. Is Zenos basically a standard blood knight? Yeah. Could our character have wound up going down his path? Yeah. Lets be honest, the majority of WoL characters only really know one thing: how to most effectively murder people, monsters, primals, and anything else too stupid to stand in our way. We live and breathe combat and death. Is it really so hard to imagine our character developing an attachment to the, as Warriors call it, "Thrill of Battle"? As a shadow Zenos represents what could have been.

    I do not expect Zenos to be successful villain, because in truth he is not really qualified to be a villain. Even when he was introduced he was not really a villain, he was a force of nature that was related to some of the villains. I expect Zenos to throw a spanner in the works of other villains, maybe actually help a villain if it furthered his own goal to cultivate your strength for the final confrontation, and die satisfied again when we stomp his powered up ass and smash his soul like we do Ascians. That is all Zenos lives for, to fight and die at the hand of someone who gives him true challenge. If he has to pull some extra work to make sure we are up to par then he will.
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