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  1. #411
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    Elkanah's Avatar
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    Shikaree Sinhunter
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    At first I was generally disappointed with the msq non cutscene skip. But after having been given a few recipes (talking about cooking in the dungeon), including all the steps to it, I can't say I wasn't unhappy about the change so far lol. I've managed to get 6 recipes from adventurers in dungeons this year. xD
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  2. #412
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    FrejyaAthenes's Avatar
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    Freyja Alfodr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaethra View Post
    Then you lose the bonus exp.

    You're getting bonus exp because of the time you spend in there. They're not going to give you 15 million experience for less time than a trial. Which is what MSQ is without cutscenes. I wouldn't say no to it. But that's never going to happen.
    You say this like lvling roulette doesn't still give bonuses when it gives you trials.

    Also, lemme get this straight: If I queue up, while fully aware that cutscenes are to be unskippable for the sake of first time players/characters (because alts are a thing), but am given no first timers, I am to either be punished by time or, under your system, by bonus experience (that I queued up specifically to get) because the game didn't bother putting me with a new person?

    Does your system at least allow the bonus to be given if you queue up again and then get a first timer? Otherwise you're advocating a system that can deny bonus experience based on a quirk of luck or the game's matchmaking algorithm. I mean, I know it's called a roulette, but it shouldn't be that much of a gamble.
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  3. #413
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    AnakhaSilver's Avatar
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    Syhrgeim Usyntuwyn
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    Zalera
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    Listen. I've had more fun in MSQ roulette lately because people actually talk to each other and have in-depth discussions than I've had in any other dungeon. Other dungeons people just see it as free EXP/tomestones or as a roadblock to the end of the MSQ. Here it feels like an MMO, and we actually talk to each other instead of treating each other like basically NPCs.
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  4. #414
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    Naychan's Avatar
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    Naychan Le'mew
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    Coeurl
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    Quote Originally Posted by OwlBlackX View Post
    It's really pain and rage, can't skip it.

    I don't want be boring and tire watch many same cutscenes in Duty Roulette
    Ive ignored it since it started forcing you to watch the cutscenes. YOU can do it!
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  5. #415
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    Bright-Flower's Avatar
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    Nyr Ardyne
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrejyaAthenes View Post
    You say this like lvling roulette doesn't still give bonuses when it gives you trials.

    Also, lemme get this straight: If I queue up, while fully aware that cutscenes are to be unskippable for the sake of first time players/characters (because alts are a thing), but am given no first timers, I am to either be punished by time or, under your system, by bonus experience (that I queued up specifically to get) because the game didn't bother putting me with a new person?

    Does your system at least allow the bonus to be given if you queue up again and then get a first timer? Otherwise you're advocating a system that can deny bonus experience based on a quirk of luck or the game's matchmaking algorithm. I mean, I know it's called a roulette, but it shouldn't be that much of a gamble.
    The three four man trials in leveling roulette are more a fluke, three duties out of a vast pool of leveling dungeons you can get.

    With msq roulette there are exactly two duties, both with lots of cut scenes, so you know what you're getting into when you queue for it.
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  6. #416
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    Sei_Konsetsu's Avatar
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    Graven Wulfram
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    Siren
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by FrejyaAthenes View Post
    You say this like lvling roulette doesn't still give bonuses when it gives you trials.

    Also, lemme get this straight: If I queue up, while fully aware that cutscenes are to be unskippable for the sake of first time players/characters (because alts are a thing), but am given no first timers, I am to either be punished by time or, under your system, by bonus experience (that I queued up specifically to get) because the game didn't bother putting me with a new person?

    Does your system at least allow the bonus to be given if you queue up again and then get a first timer? Otherwise you're advocating a system that can deny bonus experience based on a quirk of luck or the game's matchmaking algorithm. I mean, I know it's called a roulette, but it shouldn't be that much of a gamble.
    None of the other roulets give you THAT much exp and the only reason you are getting that much is because time put there. You are not being punished, no one said you even had to do it and as far as i know, main scenario is only like 2 long missions that you can get, so you know that when you que for it, you are gonna get one or the other. If they removed the auto watch cutscene for there being no first timer, then the bonus for all the time there would be dropped as well.
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  7. #417
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    Shirantis's Avatar
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    Kim Yae
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    Shiva
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sei_Konsetsu View Post
    None of the other roulets give you THAT much exp and the only reason you are getting that much is because time put there. You are not being punished, no one said you even had to do it and as far as i know
    Uff. 45 min for a Praetorium run.

    Nobody is forcing you to do the MSQ roulette, yes. BUT it feels like you are forced to do so because of the obnoxious amount of exp you get. You have to do it if you want to level efficiently. And seriously, who doesn't?

    It's rather frustrating to be forced to watch those cutscenes again and again, when you did it some years ago without being forced to do so. Nowadays people are semiAFK and have no fun doing the roulette. It feels like hurting oneself for exp. Back then we were rather motivated to do these runs as fast as possible and everybody was present. I don't see the point in forcing people to watch cutscenes again and again when there is no first-timer. And to say that the roulettes give you "THAT much exp and the only reason you are getting that much is because time put there" is the wrong way to reward people. At the end of a guild hest you get rewarded for completing them fast and without anyone dying.

    You get rewarded for your effort and not for time you put there. To be frank, the exp from MSQ roulette feels like a compensation and not like a reward.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sei_Konsetsu View Post
    no one said you even had to do it and as far as i know
    This way of thinking achieves nothing and is rather rude.

    Every aspect of the game should be inviting and fun to do, even the MSQ roulette. Rewards are nice, but they should not be the only reason to do roulettes. I enjoy most roulettes because they offer a variaty of content and are fun to do. Praetorium and castrum used to be fun.
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  8. #418
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    Vahlnir's Avatar
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    Elan Centauri
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    Diabolos
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    SE did what they had to do with Main Scenario roulette. Now we have to live with it. Open up youtube. Turn on Netflix or Hulu. Maybe even get some music playing. It's really not that bad, and it's a lot of exp for minimal effort.
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  9. #419
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    Skivvy's Avatar
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    Boo Box
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    Rafflesia
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Shirantis View Post
    Every aspect of the game should be inviting and fun to do, even the MSQ roulette. Rewards are nice, but they should not be the only reason to do roulettes. I enjoy most roulettes because they offer a variaty of content and are fun to do. Praetorium and castrum used to be fun.
    Not every aspect of an MMO is going to fun and inviting to do. MMOs come with grinding and repetition, that's just part of the bargain.

    The big MSQ dungeons and trials SHOULD be fun and inviting though. However, CM and Prae were hell for new players previously as groups would either leave them behind to watch CS and miss fights, or they got harrassed about watching the CSs, and others got kicked (this I personally never saw, but it has been mentioned over the years).

    We as a playerbase ruined the experience for people working their way through these dungeons, and so this is a case of reaping what you sow.

    As mentioned before, the MSQ roulette is not a required instance. They bumped up the rewards intentionally in order to help keep people running the roulette and to reward them for the increased time. If you don't have the time, or if you don't enjoy the roulette - simply don't run it. It's not rude to state this, just common sense. If you're concerned about leveling quickly, run the highest-level dungeon that you can. If you're on a DPS, run FATES while you wait.
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  10. #420
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    Sigrun Helasdottir
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    Brynhildr
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Skivvy View Post
    Not every aspect of an MMO is going to fun and inviting to do. MMOs come with grinding and repetition, that's just part of the bargain.

    The big MSQ dungeons and trials SHOULD be fun and inviting though. However, CM and Prae were hell for new players previously as groups would either leave them behind to watch CS and miss fights, or they got harrassed about watching the CSs, and others got kicked (this I personally never saw, but it has been mentioned over the years).

    We as a playerbase ruined the experience for people working their way through these dungeons, and so this is a case of reaping what you sow.

    As mentioned before, the MSQ roulette is not a required instance. They bumped up the rewards intentionally in order to help keep people running the roulette and to reward them for the increased time. If you don't have the time, or if you don't enjoy the roulette - simply don't run it. It's not rude to state this, just common sense. If you're concerned about leveling quickly, run the highest-level dungeon that you can. If you're on a DPS, run FATES while you wait.
    its like talking to a brick wall with these people. so IF.... YOU.... SKIP.... CUTSCENES.... YOU... DO.... NOT.... GET.... HUGE.... REWARD... Has it sunk in yet?
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    "Sometimes I wonder I heal for fun. or if I heal because I'm a glutton for punishment."

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