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    Player
    Khorchi's Avatar
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    The Scrub
    World
    Zalera
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 80
    FC friend asked if I wanted to do an expert dungeon. I'm just about to log off for the day and so is he but we hadn't done our daily Expert roulette. Sure, I'll bite.

    Turns out that it is Amaurot. Nice. I really enjoy this dungeon.

    We load in and no one is new. I'm WHM, FC friend is MCH. We get a Bard and DRK. The DRK says in chat "lol wrong que" but they stick around to do the dungeon anyway.

    Everything goes very well. Small pulls to start. But little did I know that I would begin to LOATHE this Dark Knight by the end of the run.
    This Dark Knight would not use a defensive cooldown unless it was a dire need. The only time I saw their MP bar move during the entirety of the first section up to the final boss was when they were hitting Flood of Darkness to give themselves Dark Arts.
    On the final group of mobs before the first boss, he finally uses TBN... because I have the sprite tethered to me and I get healing magic down (luckily Benediction isn't effected by that at all. Thanks YoshiP)
    Also of note, the entire first boss. The only cooldown they used was Blood Price... when they were at 65% MP.
    Just after the 2nd boss there is another sprite that gets tethered to the healer. Which isn't good for me because it only happens when you do the double pull after the boss.
    So I'm focusing on dodging AoEs and trying to burn down the sprite and i'm watching the party window. They only throw up rampart a good 10 secs after they have double pulled and they only throw up TBN when they hit 20k HP as they sprite is STILL TETHERED TO ME. I dodge more AoEs and just as his TBN is about to drop off, I hit him with a Bene but I still had 6 secs left of healing down debuff. By the time healing down drops off, he has used TBN again. Nice two cooldowns back to back, I like your style. So I hit him with a Lily and stand in to use Holy. Well I stand in to use Holy and the tank decides to stand in 3 AoEs because his health, with TBN, goes from 114k to 55k in under 4 seconds.
    At this point, I'm now trying to get to him instead of casting Holy to try and help burn the mobs down which aren't going down anytime soon. By the time I get to him, he is sitting at 15k. Lily, Cure 2, Assize, Devine Bene... his health goes to 1238 HP. He lost health in the few seconds that I was healing him. After he realises what health he is at, he starts running around, kiting mobs... INTO MORE AOEs. facepalm
    I was just luckily that Devine Bene kept him alive long enough for another lily to flower and hit him with it which was basically the only thing that kept him alive long enough as the DPS managed to finish off the mobs and the first pull after the second boss was over.
    But just before those mobs go down... he hits Shadow Wall. With the only 2 remaining mobs at less than 3% health each.
    I was ready to scream at this stage, but I am doing this for my friend... I shall press on.

    Bonus question: do you think this discouraged him from double pulling again?
    Well, if you said "hell no! He's gonna dive into the next pull with bells on!", congratulations! You win the next part of the tale.

    Second double pull just before the 2nd boss was pretty much alright. Nothing too outrageous to report from that pull. Maybe a misclick on Delirium (I say a misclick because he got the buff for it and then proceeded to use Edge of Darkness before not spamming anything of note)
    2nd boss is pretty interesting. Especially when the DRK runs into 3 AoEs that are overlapping, uses Delirium and only moves out of one of them so he gets 2 stacks of vulnerability and THEN puts on TBN. He then proceeds to get another stack of vuln before the end of the fight with the exploding chicken face in which I honestly thought that he was going to bite it because he still didn't use anything to mitigate the damage that was coming.
    It was at this stage that I checked his gear.
    Everything 430 except belt, bracelet, necklace and one ring. All between 400 and 406. Even though he had a grand total of zero materia on his gear I knew that he shouldn't be anywhere near this squishy. This is about average for what a new tank would be using if they were coming into this dungeon for the first time so I shouldn't have nearly enough trouble as I have been trying to keep him alive.

    We get to the final stage before the final boss and he double pulls the first two packs and pops Rampart... and nothing else for a while
    He only uses TBN when his health gets below 50k. He kept moving and dodging away from enemies and INTO the AoEs. His health went from 90k to 14k with auto attacks in about 7 seconds even with me using a Lily on him and haflway through casting Cure 2. I eventually just had to use Bene on him because I wasn't going to be able to keep him up otherwise.
    After I use the bene, the Bard kills the bomb tether on him and takes him to about 8% of his health. So I get him back up and by the time I spend the precious few seconds getting the Bard up, the tank FINALLY hits Shadow Wall but is still biting it, running around with his head cut off.
    I then hit Temperance, Medica 2, (move out of an AoE) Swiftcast + Holy, (move out of AoE) Lily on tank, Cure 2 on tank (gets interrupted cause I have to move out of an AoE), Cure 2 on tank again. Tank dies. WHILE A CRIT CURE 2 GOES OFF ON HIM.



    Thank you server ticks.
    I keep the other two DPS alive just fine as I rez the tank and we burn through the rest of the mobs. The tank then says in chat "Guess I'll pull small".

    TOO LATE FOR THAT NOW ISN'T IT? WE ARE ON THE LAST PULL BEFORE THE BOSS.
    I managed to keep you alive for the entire dungeon and NOW you want to pull small? Fine. I would have been fine with you pulling small for the entire dungeon.

    We wiped on the final boss and that was my fault. I know that because I moved the wrong way and got deleted by the lasers that come from the side even though I corrected myself and moved out of it, server ticks had other ideas. I still moved into it and it was my fault from the wipe.
    But we burn down the boss and finally get out of there after an exhausting 30 mins.

    Sorry for the novel. But tank, if you are out there... using your damage mitigation abilities when all of the mobs are at 10% HP and the end of a double pull is not the best time to use them.
    I didn't say anything to you because it was late, I was tired and I didn't feel like getting kicked because I like running content with my friend. Please, please, PLEASE... use your freaking cooldowns.

    Edit: It was Blood Weapon not Blood Price. I knew it restored MP and got thr name mixed up.
    I've been calling it Blood Price since I levelled it up in ShB and no one in my FC has corrected me haha.
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    Last edited by Khorchi; 07-29-2019 at 12:08 AM.
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    Player
    kidalutz's Avatar
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    Sigrun Helasdottir
    World
    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Khorchi View Post
    Sorry for the novel. But tank, if you are out there... using your damage mitigation abilities when all of the mobs are at 10% HP and the end of a double pull is not the best time to use them.
    I didn't say anything to you because it was late, I was tired and I didn't feel like getting kicked because I like running content with my friend. Please, please, PLEASE... use your freaking cooldowns.
    Yeah these tanks tend to show up alot whether leveling dungeouns or max dungeouns and you cant help but laugh at the ridiculousness of the entire situation cause these idiots cause more wipes then the actual good wall to wall puller that knows how to bloody use CDs and wait just a few extra seconds for the healer to get thiers back before repeating the majority are DRKs I have noticed but occassionally you see this same kind of bad with any of the others its like they never learned through baptism by fire then they blame you.

    Also... Server ticks are stupid they seriously need to work on that cause there is only one thing more frustrating than bad tanks and thats dodging something with what looks like plenty of time on your end only to still take damage from it. oh and that long pause when you use fairy before it does something.

    I hate that
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    "Sometimes I wonder I heal for fun. or if I heal because I'm a glutton for punishment."

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    Player
    Awful's Avatar
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    Awful Name
    World
    Faerie
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Khorchi View Post
    The only cooldown they used was Blood Price... when they were at 65% MP.
    Blood Price got removed just throwing that out there I was like Blood Price..? Oh it's gone lol.

    On a related story: I got Baelsar's Wall with an Edgebreaker/WHM (me)/MCH/BLM, we all say hey and the tanks already zippin down the hallway zoooooooom, that's fine I can just sprint n catch up no biggie, he gathers all the adds up and then no CDs were had until he was at 10% HP which I Tetra'd/Fatty Solus, he's also losing threat to the BLM and the MCH. He has tank stance on he stops suddenly and goes "watch your threat", I noticed they only use their AoE once and on the next pull they didn't so mobs are eating me and the DPS I tell em use Demon Slice > Demon Slaughter he then auto translates Bow Shock and sprints off again I'm sorry what?

    We're on the lift he starts to D/C then we all AoE and the tank comes back and says sorry D/C'd that's fine, next wave comes and he's just sitting there, is he D/Cing or? We do the whole lift without em and we wait at the boss, he goes sorry gotta go and leaves, uhhh okay? Later that day I see em in PF LFG for Baelsar's Wall very confusing maybe he didn't have time? No idea.
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