When did calling PS4 players “console peasants” become acceptable?

[Granyala]

The only solution to end this problem is for SE to give alternative methods to obtaining BiS gear that involves lesser skill and playing more. Kinda like Eureka lol. Don't need any parsers in there.

What exactly does gear have to do with this?
This isn't WoW, the influence of gear in FF isn't THAT intense to where a mythic raid geared dude does 2x the output of a nonraider.

Sure, you won't catch a savage equipped person's DPS. But you can still get reasonably close and deliver a satisfactory performance.

[RareItems]

What exactly does gear have to do with this?

Oh, just about everything lol. Why would anyone do Savage or Ex Trials if there's no gear rewards in the end lol.

[Granyala]

Oh, just about everything lol. Why would anyone do Savage or Ex Trials if there's no gear rewards in the end lol.

About as many as did savage coil back in ARR.
IIRC that only gave glamour stuff/title but not better stats.

[BunnyChain]

Encounter? Level?
Data out of context is useless.

Well the data is out there, easy to find...


Sad fact is that this game is quite dependent on your frame rate; even affecting your performance (dps) iirc.

What SE confirmed is that it affects things: ...such as the collision system not loading correctly; allowing players to fall through geometry, or result in actions not being registered correctly...
It affects macro speed
But most importantly!

[RareItems]

Exactly, all the Savage/EX rewards are just glamour items. Let the raiders have their fun but give casuals a way to obtain the said rewards using a alternative method like letting us use normal raid tokens and jack up the price 10x the base item lol. IE. 1 bracelet for a 450 accessory, 10 bracelets for a savage raid accessory.

That way, less ppl would crowd the Elitist Party Finder Duty Pool, and everyone is happier.

[Granyala]

Well the data is out there, easy to find...

But most importantly!

Did find it. Made comparison, take a look one page back.
Whaaaat?! Thank God my 4K TV can "only" do 60FPS. ^_^

I noticed FPS glitches when I did the ARR Sightseeing logs. Dat jump in North Shroud... I just couldn't make it @60FPS. Not a chance. Limit FPS to 30 -> Bam 1st try. Oo

I played WoW with down to 3FPS. (Yep Deathwing HC back in Cata woo) I still managed to get an adequate performance for the raid but let me tell you, mashing buttons that hard was not fun at all.

To be fair though: PS4 isn't THAT bad that it would cripple your performance as a player. If it were, SE would cease to support it like they did with PS3.

[HyoMinPark]

Exactly, all the Savage/EX rewards are just glamour items. Let the raiders have their fun but give casuals a way to obtain the said rewards using a alternative method like letting us use normal raid tokens and jack up the price 10x the base item lol. IE. 1 bracelet for a 450 accessory, 10 bracelets for a savage raid accessory.

That way, less ppl would crowd the Elitist Party Finder Duty Pool, and everyone is happier.

Nah, mate. You want the dyeable gear, do the fights.

[Nedkel]

My comment still stands, while PC will be second to the console market like it always has been, at one point PC was on top but not anymore, uncharted series on pc? no ok, you got any of the other exclusives no? oh that's too bad.

Lol (and a lot of other moba), cs go, EU IV, Civ series, total war, Hearts of iron series, most of the mmorpg market, most of the sim tycoons market, most of the simulators market, you could play mobile games on pc too.

you get what Microsoft decides to make and that's barely anything and if a 3rd party developer decides to market it to the PC you are very lucky and other games that were on PC are making their way to consoles as we speak. don't pull the whole steam thing I heard devs were pulling out to make their own services so steam will be a shell of what it used to be Css, teamfortress and csgo is what most people play and maybe rocket league lol

No, microsoft does not interfere in any creation of games, anyone on the globe could create a game and make it working on windows or mac and does not need to ask anyone. Most of the PC gaming market is made by third party.

it has nothing to do with power, so build up your PC as much as you want in terms of catching up like i said pretty soon a little 400 dollar console will out perform or be the standard in the future and PC will be there to search things sure you got the modders out there who rather play pc that's fine but the Majority will shift in the future you cannot deny this you can if you want but its already happening. you got bad things happening like spectre ruining intel you have pc hackers going crazy in games that stuff happens on console is rare.

But PC market is only growing and not shrinking, what makes you think PC gaming is dying? Swifting in the future?
I will tell you, microsoft is going to homogenise their xbox and windows system in the future, they are no longer going to be a lone console, you already could play the games you bought on your xbox on your PC. If anything, it will be console that will turn into PC more and more, in future console gaming will be in form of operating system which you could install on anything you want. Thats what microsoft is planning to do.

1 thing the pc has that needs to come back to consoles free online the psn+ stuff for online is just really not worth it especially when they are giving you two free games if you own them already you get nothing.

It will never happen because someone has to pay for the console web infrastructure along with the expense of selling consoles themselves. They are no longer selling consoles for money, they are giving away them to you so you could put money into their service.
This is why microsoft is going to change their plans on xbox, they literally want to move xbox system into PC.

The Pc may have an graphical advantage but the game can still be played on both plattforms perfectly and there isn't any gameplay difference beside no third party programs on ps4.
If some elitist party finder group that says "no ps4 players" just tell them you play on PC :P.
I still don't get why yall are still arguing.

While ia agree you could play well on consoles, the fact is consoles are unable to hold 60 fps in this game anymore, even ps4 pro cant it flies around 50 fps.

What exactly does gear have to do with this?
This isn't WoW, the influence of gear in FF isn't THAT intense to where a mythic raid geared dude does 2x the output of a nonraider.

Sure, you won't catch a savage equipped person's DPS. But you can still get reasonably close and deliver a satisfactory performance.

It is for tanks, every single piece of gear upgradement is a bless, because deffensives are scaling with current level and it is blocking flat amount of damage. You will see the difference between 70 lvl in 70 lvl gear and 80 lvl with lvl 70 gear.
At least thats what i found out when i was looking for damage formulas, gear for tanks is essential.

[RareItems]

Nah, mate. You want the dyeable gear, do the fights.

Meh, they're not sexy anyways. Mr Happy's 45 minute guides makes me fall asleep xD.

[Komarimono]

I wonder when will console players learn to lay-low and not mess with the king.

They talk about VFM and how expensive PC's are, people post 600$ builds/potato masher that outperform their plastic toys.
Then they bring up graphics and how some exclusives look better than anything on PC, i don't even need to say how hard that backfires.
Of course next they bring up exclusives, since i doubt i'm allowed to post other games and especially MMO's here one only need to check system wars forums on gamespot to see the massacre.

And last but not least, skill, here's 2 of the most memorable news regarding the "skill war" between PC and consoles.
PC gamers 'destroyed' console gamers in tests, says Voodoo PC founder
The Division 2 raid has been beaten on PC, but console players still can’t finish it

As i said before tho i just hope they release/leak EX clear data by platform, this would suffice to put an end to this discussion.

But PS4 players can always make a full group of PS4 along with a PC player to parse and compete vs an average all PC group, that should show those elitists, right?


Anyway, about Sav/EX rewards being available to everyone with tokens i'm completely against it.
Let those who have the skill and patience to complete the content have some exclusive rewards.

Well, I feel there is no need to straight out attack them. I only fired back when someone tried to make a false claim.

Yes, it's fact a medium graded PC will look and perform better then a console of similar price zone when it comes to hardware. And yes, you can upgrade it down the road as you see fit. But the smart ones know that you play console for affordability or for exclusive games. Sadly there's no games on console that are exclusive that I can't find on PC that are similar and sometimes better that I want to play.

Only games that came close for me, were Mario Odyssey and Breath of the Wild, and that's on Switch the "lowest powered console", but they are sooo fun to play. Think those are the only console games I really have enjoyed in a long time, the rest are just rehash of things that have been out in the past. Now, when 2077 comes out, nnnngggh! Going to crank that up so high on detail my PC will probably vent steam from my liquid cooling lol