5.0 healer catastrophizing is illogical - Change My Mind

[Shalan]

So I've been playing AST at 70 for a while now. All I can think of is people played AST during leveling and it felt underpowered then, and they never actually payed attention to how it feels in actual relevant 80 content.

My heals feel fine, the new card system makes AST feel as active as a DPS, and while things like Divination and collective unconscious could absolutely use some shorter CDs, it's not this irredeemable garbage healer people are trying to claim it is.
People need to look past leveling dungeons. Everything feels like trash in them.

I'll never understand why people think this is a winning argument.

The vast majority of this game's content is encountered during the leveling experience and in instances below max level. A shitty ride in levels 30-79 is not excused by an "okay" or "working" experience at level 80. How many hours of playing a subpar or boring class are most people willing to put themselves through to hit level 80 when they could have a much more enjoyable time on SCH/WHM for both the leveling experience and the endgame content?

If that leveling experience is bad, the actual class design and changes are bad unless the end is a stellar payout, which for AST it is not.

[Saefinn]

I'll never understand why people think this is a winning argument.

The vast majority of this game's content is encountered during the leveling experience and in instances below max level. A shitty ride in levels 30-79 is not excused by an "okay" or "working" experience at level 80. How many hours of playing a subpar or boring class are most people willing to put themselves through to hit level 80 when they could have a much more enjoyable time on SCH/WHM for both the leveling experience and the endgame content?

If that leveling experience is bad, the actual class design and changes are bad unless the end is a stellar payout, which for AST it is not.

Very much this. People level, levelling is not instant, they go through story content playing these jobs, they have to grind using them before they even get to 80. And once they are level 80 they will still grind through roulettes for which there is only 1 level 80 roulette. But they do the roulettes for gear. And once gear cap increases, it'll be the same again. They may also still do older content to help others out. There is a lot of content people do that's not at level 80. And if you're a new player trying out a job, "it gets good at 80" is not really an incentive to pursue it.

And to add, it's also less incentive for healers to do roulettes. Healer in need has been a common sight even after the novelty of GNB and DNC has worn off.