Summoner Early Post-Launch Feedback at level 80

[HeulGDarian]

Btw am i the only one who would like an overburst equivalent to ruin 2 and a better sounds effect than tribind could be like 40 potency .

[Taranok]

Btw am i the only one who would like an overburst equivalent to ruin 2 and a better sounds effect than tribind could be like 40 potency .

Honestly, if the devs wanted to very lazily "fix" the class, making every single spell short of Raise instant cast would go a long way towards alleviating most of the issues it has. I've often described SMN as busier than BRD (It's not if you go by raw APM, but it feels busier), and using parallels like the class being a caster doing its worst impression of an rDPS. So if that's the direction they want to take it, just literally turning the class into a wannabe rDPS would fix a lot of its problems. It will still have terrible flow, but in practice it won't be as bad because you at least will have unlimited instant casts to get everything out reasonable.

They could even copy Bard (a bit) and turn Tri-disaster into an anytime usable GCD that always applies ruination and Bio/Miasma (and, you know, remove Bio/Miasma) and it will be somewhat homogenized with Bard and won't feel like a Caster, but it can limp along in this weird state for a pretty long while until the devs can properly fix the rotation and turn it back into a caster.

[Dyvid]

Honestly, if the devs wanted to very lazily "fix" the class, making every single spell short of Raise instant cast would go a long way towards alleviating most of the issues it has. I've often described SMN as busier than BRD (It's not if you go by raw APM, but it feels busier), and using parallels like the class being a caster doing its worst impression of an rDPS. So if that's the direction they want to take it, just literally turning the class into a wannabe rDPS would fix a lot of its problems. It will still have terrible flow, but in practice it won't be as bad because you at least will have unlimited instant casts to get everything out reasonable.

They could even copy Bard (a bit) and turn Tri-disaster into an anytime usable GCD that always applies ruination and Bio/Miasma (and, you know, remove Bio/Miasma) and it will be somewhat homogenized with Bard and won't feel like a Caster, but it can limp along in this weird state for a pretty long while until the devs can properly fix the rotation and turn it back into a caster.

Well it is a caster, SMN has to cast something lol. Out of the 3 summoner is still the most mobile of the Magic DPS group.

[Sequora]

Well it is a caster, SMN has to cast something lol. Out of the 3 summoner is still the most mobile of the Magic DPS group.

Do you mean least mobile? RDM is infinitely more mobile than SMN. BLM has also become more mobile than SMN.

[dinnertime]

Well it is a caster, SMN has to cast something lol. Out of the 3 summoner is still the most mobile of the Magic DPS group.

To be honest, it's not. Well, technically SMN is mobile than the other casters but right now it comes at the cost of its DPS because using Ruin 2 is more punishing than ever, DWT only happens once per cycle now and moving during Demi Primal phases might delay or even outright erase commands/actions because they haven't been fixed in place yet. BLM is actually the most mobile now because it has the ability to move around without DPS loss with Triplecast, Xenoglossy and for proc-ing more frequently with enhanced Sharpcast.

[HeulGDarian]

Well it is a caster, SMN has to cast something lol. Out of the 3 summoner is still the most mobile of the Magic DPS group.

Stormblood summoner

-) first on aoe with blm contesting it's place
-) not being punished heavily from ruin 2 thus being able to move whenever he wants and waving the other magic dpses kisses and sparkles while he did drifts around them
-) 3rd to 4th single target dps while bringing utility for physical and magical

Shadowbringers summoner

-) second to last in aoe in most cases from all the nerfs while the devs made blm aoe better and faster ensuring his dominance
-) using ruin 2 is so heavily punished that you simply Don't want to move at all cause obviously the devs forgot ruin 3 isn't fire 4
-) 6th single target dps with bard contesting while having all his utility removed except devotion which has double the cd of brotherhood same dps buff but ups the magic damage as well obviously the devs felt they gifted us with unlimited power when they changed that spell.

Yes I'm salty. while the blm is the caster you go to for dps with the motto I'm all about those casts . Rdm being the caster who took more notes from blm and smn than he did from his whm part disappointing all 3. Smn was the one job that had all High mobility arguably the best of the 3 since they had to either cast first or target someone else. king of the aoe who could surpass blm ,at times you could see 1k dps difference on aoe on fflogs statistics sure aoe doesn't matter that much in raids cause there are not so many trash but still a good way to differentiate those 2 jobs further than just "casts" and "has pet and doesn't cast that much" .We had good utility sure we couldn't rapidly quickcast rezzes nor heal in an oh fck moment and ifrit buff was a bit worse than embolden but we were more powerful ,devotion did more than just dps buff and we could buff magic as well if necessary. Smn was god tier for what he provided even if there were specialists who did those things better nobody did them at the same time .

i really hope that the devs indeed read forums and that they bring us back to what we were.

[Taranok]

Well it is a caster, SMN has to cast something lol. Out of the 3 summoner is still the most mobile of the Magic DPS group.

It's also horrifically broken and needs to have quick, easy to implement changes to act as triage to get it to a functional state before they inevitably rework it in the next expansion. And as the others brought up, SMN is the least mobile caster now. BLM has enough mobility to handle mechanics as needed, RDM typically does but has trouble on extended movement, meanwhile SMN is heavily punished for movement at the wrong time, and its ability to move without penalty is limited and often eaten up by the SMN's other mechanics, so it almost never can move without actual penalty while the other 2 typically can move freely during mechanics provided they're smart about it.

This isn't really a problem with BLM (mine is only 56, but the UI looks fantastic) which has one single GUI display that encapsulates the information that they need to know about their rotation and a visual presentation of how much Fire/Ice they have built up with the fire/ice orbs. Also mobility with the teleports already seems far better than my 80 SMN. And looking at the AoE it isn't penalized for more targets like SMN's is.

The two are penalized about the same for aoe. SMN has damage drop off from DoTs, Akh Morns, Revelations, Fountain of Fire (or was it Brand of Purgatory?), and so on but not from pet abilities, outburst, and ES/PF, where BLM has damage drop off from Flare and Foul, but not Thunder 4 and Freeze (Fire 2 is never used in BLM's aoe rotation at cap, I've heard rumblings that it's even a DPS loss the second you get freeze as well). The issue with SMN's aoe is almost exclusively that it has so much crap to throw out that it basically can't do its job and it ends up stepping on its own toes trying to get all the oGCDs out that outburst may as well not exist outside of DWT. Then you have FBT and you mix a ST attack with an AoE attack that has dropoff and everything just goes caddywhompus from there...