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    I'm not ready to be outraged at this quite yet. I did ask a few questions regarding healers (and some other jobs) in the thread, and for all I know these questions could be resolved in a few days before the live letter actually arrives. If these issues are fixed, then there are no reason to ask the questions that I asked. I'm hoping that there are some pretty sizable changes coming with the savage patch. If there isn't, them I am more than ready to get angry at the devs over this. They've been uncharacteristically silent these past several weeks (including the time where all we had were media tour screenshots); in the previous two expansions there has been a lot more that they have said regarding player reactions to changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lagomorph View Post
    They've been uncharacteristically silent these past several weeks (including the time where all we had were media tour screenshots); in the previous two expansions there has been a lot more that they have said regarding player reactions to changes.
    That's because in the past two expansions, a lot of the negatively-received changes were over DPS Jobs. I'm firmly convinced the Scholar fixes in early Stormblood were only because they realized they couldn't finalize the Arcanist split and they got too ambitious, so they rolled some of it back and threw in some Potency changes while not fixing any of the real problems.

    They're far more adept at brushing off Healer concerns (look at the White Mage megathread in Stormblood) than they are the other two Roles.

    We're supposed to be good little healbots that don't ask questions or get upset, because this is the expansion of "Healer Balance" and if they don't get them "balanced" according to their vision, we're not going to get a new Healing Job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonberiScholar View Post
    That's because in the past two expansions, a lot of the negatively-received changes were over DPS Jobs. I'm firmly convinced the Scholar fixes in early Stormblood were only because they realized they couldn't finalize the Arcanist split and they got too ambitious, so they rolled some of it back and threw in some Potency changes while not fixing any of the real problems.

    They're far more adept at brushing off Healer concerns (look at the White Mage megathread in Stormblood) than they are the other two Roles.

    We're supposed to be good little healbots that don't ask questions or get upset, because this is the expansion of "Healer Balance" and if they don't get them "balanced" according to their vision, we're not going to get a new Healing Job.
    It's not just the healers though. There are many unhappy monks, dark knights, summoners, and bards right now, among other jobs. They're just fewer in number than the upset healers. The cynic in me would be inclined to agree that the devs just ignore healers, but I think I can manage to be hopeful for another few days. If they screw it up again, I guess it's time to reinstall WoW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lagomorph View Post
    It's not just the healers though. There are many unhappy monks, dark knights, summoners, and bards right now, among other jobs. They're just fewer in number than the upset healers. The cynic in me would be inclined to agree that the devs just ignore healers, but I think I can manage to be hopeful for another few days. If they screw it up again, I guess it's time to reinstall WoW.
    I'd be willing to bet the non-Healer Jobs get the lion's share of the responses when they do finally start talking about the Job changes.

    But at this point I basically have a cynic and a worse cynic, one on each shoulder, so hopefully I'm wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonberiScholar View Post
    I'd be willing to bet the non-Healer Jobs get the lion's share of the responses when they do finally start talking about the Job changes.

    But at this point I basically have a cynic and a worse cynic, one on each shoulder, so hopefully I'm wrong.
    I mean, during the ShB press tour there were 96 questions asked and only 4 of them were about healers and those 4 were fluff questions.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonberiScholar View Post
    That's because in the past two expansions, a lot of the negatively-received changes were over DPS Jobs. I'm firmly convinced the Scholar fixes in early Stormblood were only because they realized they couldn't finalize the Arcanist split and they got too ambitious, so they rolled some of it back and threw in some Potency changes while not fixing any of the real problems.
    I think we had different experiences... ARR into HW there was the Aetherflow 20 to 10% and changes to lustrate, HW there was backlash over AST and lack of healing potency and then over the 20% balance and constant Nocturnal shield and SCH shields comparison the over writing of shields between AST and SCH. The stone skin removal, cleric stance changes, healers losing individual skill removals ummm give me back leeches and all off the cross class actions. Into SB SCH changes Miasma, bane, aero etcetc WHM Lilly and the constant churn on healers skills and changes. Look at the mess over confession stacks... there were and are some very unhappy healers.

    So it wasn't just DPS negativity there were hundred of posts defining how miffed we were.
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    Then i hope the question thread will remain open beyond the patch going live or i will find this very shady >_>
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    Even if a decent question gets asked which it won't since they are handpicked you'd get a blanket statement like "we'll look into it".

    Which says nothing.

    If they do anything it'll be small adjustments.

    Maybe next xpac.
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