Customizable pronouns

[NealSnow]

I haven’t heard of non-binary being a mental illness? Gender-neutral identities and styles does not equal having a mental illness at all, that’s a bit of a spurious claim and also a bit insulting if you don’t have the evidence to back that up, except general anecdotes.

Gender Dysphoria is a diagnosable condition but it gets very murky around the edges when concerning non-binary identities. It’s usually a lot more clear cut in many cases with trans-men/women, but there’s still a conversation to be had regarding non-binary people I think. However I don’t think that’s a conversation we should be having on a game forum. This thread and OP was about simply asking for a more neutral option regarding pronouns, just like how the Pixies used, showing they’re aware of gender-neutrality and therefore opening the discussion up for it being available for us.

Once people start asking for “autism” related pronouns in the game then that’s something else entirely... but I have a feeling that’s not gonna happen.

I said people view it as a mental illness because that's been my exposure to it so different walks of life, most people ive seen talk about rarely is it positive. And I understand what they are asking for, but Japan is the most "non inclusive" place ever as far as social change. They do what they want, and that's that. The odds of it happening are so slim it just isn't a good idea to bring up the topic on an online forum.

[Barraind]

Possibly not the best example, as autism/Aspergers is not a "mental illness"

It is recognized as a mental illness (Specifically a developmental disorder treated with therapy and psychotropics) by every single psychiatric organization in the world.

As is gender dysphoria, as an aside.

[Gwenorai]

I recognise the need, but it's very unlikely this will happen. But hey, Cyberpunk and will allow you to do this. But in a game like this where gender is indeed wrapped into very old code, very unlikely. We've seen this when the Hrothgar incident happened, where the french version was showing parts of the code for male and female that would flag a certain response. So this would require going through every single convo flag and editing it accordingly.

This also doesn't work seeing as we have races where genders are missing entirely, so you won't even be able to pick your body type. This is just a can of worms that shouldn't be opened when we have gender lock races and even then, it probably shouldn't be opened.

[Cled-cat]

I said people view it as a mental illness because that's been my exposure to it so different walks of life, most people ive seen talk about rarely is it positive. And I understand what they are asking for, but Japan is the most "non inclusive" place ever as far as social change. They do what they want, and that's that. The odds of it happening are so slim it just isn't a good idea to bring up the topic on an online forum.

Well, a few decades ago (and even today in some countries), being gay is seen/classed as a mental illness, but that’s a pretty ridiculous thing to assume in most developed societies nowadays. Sexuality and identity are different yeah, but if you can’t convince someone that being gay or bi or whatever isn’t a choice/illness then yeah we got no chance at all of convincing those same people of different identities. You may think it’s not a good idea to bring it up, but it’s always worth talking about something that’s not understood much, how else will it ever be more understood if it’s not an idea that’s applied to most mediums of conversation you know? They have gay marriage in this game, so that kind of contradicts your message about Japan’s noninclusivity. If we set them up for failure before they even try to adopt change, then yeah, there really is no point.

[Iscah]

It is recognized as a mental illness (Specifically a developmental disorder treated with therapy and psychotropics) by every single psychiatric organization in the world.

It's considered a mental disorder. That's not the same thing as an illness.

[NealSnow]

It is recognized as a mental illness (Specifically a developmental disorder treated with therapy and psychotropics) by every single psychiatric organization in the world.

As is gender dysphoria, as an aside.

Thank you my potatoe shaped friend lol. I have aultism myself and I myself deal with the issue's. I'm not normal, I have a illness. I just don't care! If people accept me fine, if not idc. I'm not gonna demand SE let me make my wol autistic as a result. Be happy with who you are, but don't expect the entire world to conform to your needs I say.

[Gwenorai]

It's a mental disorder. That's not the same thing as an illness.

The two are interchangeable these days, to the point that the differences are usually built upon the origin of the issue. But eh, both are considered as an abnormality for good health.

[Siete]

All this forced "inclusion" is getting way too strong in videogames, lately all games have a highly forced "inclusive" character which the biggest aspect of characterization and lore surrounding it is the "inclusive" part.
And no, it's not because they're "badly done", it's simply because the specification forced in means so little that the only way for it to be seen is making it be constantly in the spotlight.
Final Fantasy XIV has it's own world, with it's own inhabitants and in it's lore and foundations. There are no such things as "nonbinary", they're just what they are and we shouldn't transgress the rules of OUR world into THEIR world, period.

[Ardox]

Hi there!

So I'm nonbinary and it's been a real treat seeing gender neutral pronouns being used for the pixies in Il Mheg and for our adorable branch. For the WoL, though, there's always only he/him or she/her. I was wondering if it might be possible to set different pronouns for written dialogue and system messages, either through the character creation process or something in the options menu? It would be a nice little bit of inclusion to have in the game.

Obviously, voiced lines that use pronouns don't necessarily need to change in the process.

I glanced over, thought to stay silent...

Then i realize I'd be really peeved if wedding would have been made gender restricted.

You go trailblazer, don't let the naysayer discourage you

[Gwenorai]

But the question is, how is OP putting forward a solution for this to be done? Seeing as all of the local language teams will need to edit every single piece of code that has a 'yes/no' flag regarding gender. This needs to be considered. Or how would this even work in different languages where they don't tend to use certain pronouns? I'm seeing a want, but I'm not seeing a lot of acknowledgement to the basic logic which is the code itself. And more of a 'my inclusion' social movement type of thing going.

Like, I can't take anyone seriously until they acknowledge the major issue is the code itself. And what they're asking for is hours upon hours of work for something they're just going to see. Remember that even if this was added, people are more than likely not going to call you by your pronoun. So, wouldn't that just completely nullify it? So all this would do is give a very small amount of players acknowledgement of their different pronouns, in the text which will soon be shattered because someone in your party or around you will call you 'he/she' anyway because your avatar has no in-between.