Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[ChaoticCrimson]

Maybe they were leveling alt classes? You just get it once for the class you play... I just think if the first dungeon I'm more forgiven and the expansion is still new. If they pull stuff like that in later dungeons I would be as angry about it but yeah, maybe I'm just too forgiving in that regard.

To be fair, you can also use Poetics to trade in for and upgrade Scaevan gear at Rhalgr's now, so most people should be able to change out for some solid i400 gear without too much problem. iirc, I believe that gear doesn't get surpassed stat-wise until you get around to the lv75 dungeon, so you get some mileage out of it. Poetics are also relatively easy to come by now as well, so even if it takes a bit of time to get what you need to purchase a full Augmented Scaevan set, it's definitely not a bad investment. Plus for a lot of sets you can save it for leveling other jobs that use the same gear, which is another plus. I'm not saying nobody should ever enter the 71 dungeon without being at a full i400, but it's certainly not a difficult thing to achieve now and I would recommend doing so to make life easier in the long run.

Edit: Hyomin beat me to the punch on that explanation, I see lol

[Hezzlocks]

Maybe they were leveling alt classes? You just get it once for the class you play... I just think if the first dungeon I'm more forgiven and the expansion is still new. If they pull stuff like that in later dungeons I would be as angry about it but yeah, maybe I'm just too forgiving in that regard.

I mean, I totally agree that the first dungeon is a bit forgiving, but 290 is also pushing it a bit. For leveling alts, poetics comes in so quickly that there really isn't any reason not to throw those at the Rhalgrs Reach vendor for at least some gear, which is ilvl 390, right on par with Holminsters Switch...

[ChaoticCrimson]

Also, as far as the i290 gear goes, that was already obsolete by the time you could access Skalla in 4.1 content. You literally cannot progress the MSQ without upgrading the gear past that point. There's no reason to have any of that gear by the time you're in 5.0 content.

[KaleShibata]

I mean, I totally agree that the first dungeon is a bit forgiving, but 290 is also pushing it a bit. For leveling alts, poetics comes in so quickly that there really isn't any reason not to throw those at the Rhalgrs Reach vendor for at least some gear, which is ilvl 390, right on par with Holminsters Switch...

its over the par of switch, but below the 73. augmented is only beaten by the 75

[Hawklaser]

Maybe they were leveling alt classes? You just get it once for the class you play... I just think if the first dungeon I'm more forgiven and the expansion is still new. If they pull stuff like that in later dungeons I would be as angry about it but yeah, maybe I'm just too forgiving in that regard.

If they are leveling alts, does that make them allergic to rerunning a dungeon on their main to greed roll some alt appropriate gear? Or actually sellecting dungeons their alt is appropriately geared for and running those repeatedly until they do get better gear?

In an MMO like this, there is no excuse to not be using relatively current gear for the content you are attempting ever. Dungeons give it out like candy, and NPCs sell it cheap. Its not like you are competing for an ungaurenteed multibillion gil drop from a 24-72hr spawn window NM. You don't need the best, just reasonable even for things like savage dificulty or higher progression. Reasonable just becomes stricter with the harder content and player skill can also make it looser or stricter too.

[SturmChurro]

I don't mean to offend but Holminster is still the first dungeon and some people are new to Shb and go through the MSQ, I think you can't expect everyone to be at a high gear level for the starter dungeon...

Heck no! Isn't this a "mentor" we are talking about here? They should know you can just go buy some scaevan gear with poetics that take a grand total of like 2 hours to cap out. That should actually be capped out passively, and if you used your poetics on a different class then you shouldn't be doing Holminster switch on the class you didn't buy level appropriate gear for. You can use augmented scaevan all the way to Qitana Ravel, as a tank, and do big pulls. I can personally confirm. Ridiculous. If they have the "mentor" crown for that matter they throw away the option to being "new" or something of the like. As in they throw away the option to use "new" as an excuse and it moves on to 'lazy', with a complete disregard for the other players in your party.

I know this is an "old" post being from yesterday and all, but you are greatly exaggerating how under-geared the healer actually was. The max ilvl gear you can get prior to bardam is crafted 273 gear, the difference between full shire and 273 gear is less than 8% total healing/dps output. I'm not sure you have a clear understanding of how the leveling gear between expansions actually scales.

So in so many words you are calling the healer who couldn't handle the pulls, "not good"? At least I was nice, and tried to shift the blame.

I already admitted to being hyperbolic to an extent in a later post. However, undergeared players are rampant, and that is a real problem.

[Noitems]

I don't mean to offend but Holminster is still the first dungeon and some people are new to Shb and go through the MSQ, I think you can't expect everyone to be at a high gear level for the starter dungeon...

To add on to other people's points in order to get to Holminster you would have needed to complete Stormblood's story. Skalla has an il min of 300 I believe and Tsukuyomi (the first actual MSQ roadblock) has an il min of around 350 ( I remember people were complaining about it at the time). On top of getting into the burn (I believe 350) and Ghimlyt (365 I think) So this person must be have going in with an alt trying to level it, most likely using the coffers on their main job.

I'd give them a pass if we're talking full alliance gear or something but 290 gear is absolutely a joke. They were just being lazy.

[PeppermintBrown]

Also in order to get to Holminster you would have needed to complete Stormblood's story. Skalla has an il min of 300 I believe and Tsukuyomi (the first actual MSQ roadblock) has an il min of around 350 ( I remember people were complaining about it at the time). So this person must be have going in with an alt trying to level it, most likely using the coffers on their main job.

I'd give them a pass if we're talking full alliance gear or something but 290 gear is absolutely a joke. They were just being lazy.

Unless they're leveling an alt job. That said 'm not defending 290 gear in SHB content, but if one swaps to another job to level, whatever gear SB gave them may not apply. In that case though they should buy some level 70 gear from a vendor or MB. (Or with poetics.)

[SturmChurro]

To add on to other people's points in order to get to Holminster you would have needed to complete Stormblood's story. Skalla has an il min of 300 I believe and Tsukuyomi (the first actual MSQ roadblock) has an il min of around 350 ( I remember people were complaining about it at the time). On top of getting into the burn (I believe 350) and Ghimlyt (365 I think) So this person must be have going in with an alt trying to level it, most likely using the coffers on their main job.

I'd give them a pass if we're talking full alliance gear or something but 290 gear is absolutely a joke. They were just being lazy.

You don't need to add on anything. The tank, according, to the post was a mentor, and they should know better. This means it was in fact being lazy. If they wear the crown they know full well what they need to be doing, but what else can you expect. Most of the players who actually refuse to play properly, as in literally, are "mentors".

They need to remove the system entirely.

Unless they're leveling an alt job. That said 'm not defending 290 gear in SHB content, but if one swaps to another job to level, whatever gear SB gave them may not apply. In that case though they should buy some level 70 gear from a vendor or MB. (Or with poetics.)

NO excuse. I have SIX level 80's, and on every single one of them I used my too many poetics to buy them full, or mostly augmented scaevan if I didn't already have it. I actually thought about my party, and myself before entering a dungeon I had no business entering. I expect the same kind of common courtesy from other players, especially as a tank. An undergeared tank is worthless, and useless, and should be kicked immediately.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

So doing final MSQ trial with like 3 other friends because one them needed it. Im BLM (because thats all I have). We que in and one of my friends groans in VC because the healer they just had in Amaurot is there and I guess they had issues. Whatever, we start. I die a ways in, because this is literally my second time doing this duty and proceed to die a couple more times due to rezzing at bad times or not getting healed in time after getting picked up. Suddenly 3 of the dps are dead and one healer has the stack marker but BOTH healers are stacked under it. I have the aoe marker but try to stack anyway because two people don't make stack and they were about to die. Not my best moment. My aoe killed us anyway and we wipe it. Healers proceed to heckle me a little (which, hey I get it but they would have died without my help, so) and I refrain from telling them not to do any more double healer stacks because its not like I did the smart thing either. We get to the same part and they stack up again (Im pretty sure they are same FC or something because they are both from the same server and seem to favor each other) and no one stacks with them because, well the two tanks and one dps are here with me and I decide I'm going to be petty because noob is as noob does (I'm not sure where the other 2 dps are). My SMN friend is like 'I got this' and rezzes one of the healers and we scrape through.

I would have apologized for my mistep earlier if the healers hadn' t proceeded to dress me down when at least one of them died just as much if not more than I did. Not saying healing that is easy but well...Don't start no ish, won't be no ish. Ug normally I don't give in to the petty but this expac seems to bring it out in me. Sorry to the other people with us T-T.