Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[EdwinLi]

this basically what happened when going through Twinning....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASOATgfR8fo

[DonovanLifeweaver]

Some people are going to be toxic with or without parses when you fail mechanics. Parses are just a tool. Some people use that tool to improve themselves, other people use that tool to make themselves look like a tool.

basicly if you need a 3rd party program to improve your dps..... either you forgot to examine your team mate before comparing yourself, you fail at rotation//class mechanic or you're missing alot of stats or maybe all 3.

[Hezzlocks]

None of the reasons listed are reasons for randoms to put up with you at Mettle. If they see someone that should be replaced, they will be replaced.

If any reasons you've listed need special consideration, form your own parties or take a gamble with df-- just don't come crying to me if the people you're matched with rather get someone else.

So what you are saying is that you should never queue for Bardham's Mettle unless you already outgear the dungeon, have no anxiety at all, have not been on an extended break from the game, have *already* ran Mettle before, are not leveling a Gunbreaker and are already used to the expansion job changes. You are also saying that if the DPS are bads and aren't AoEing, it's somehow your fault and you should be kicked for not compensating for the bad DPS. That's what you're saying, yes?

[van_arn]

So what you are saying is that you should never queue for Bardham's Mettle unless you already outgear the dungeon, have no anxiety at all, have not been on an extended break from the game, have *already* ran Mettle before, are not leveling a Gunbreaker and are already used to the expansion job changes. You are also saying that if the DPS are bads and aren't AoEing, it's somehow your fault and you should be kicked for not compensating for the bad DPS. That's what you're saying, yes?

I'm saying if you don't feel like you have anything to offer the others in your party, then don't waste their time. To do otherwise is inconsiderate.

If you need some self-confidence, or feel like you'd impose on other people due to your lack of capacity to read tooltips, then perhaps a party with people you already know would be best.

Perhaps rather than trying to queue for a dungeon you don't feel like you can handle, or are anxious about, you can queue for a lower dungeon you *can* handle. Start from Sastasha if you must.

As for who gets kicked, that's up to the party to decide. Usually the weakest link is pretty clear.

[Skivvy]

Don't quote me on this, but I believe if a fresh party has been waiting for a healer for significantly longer than an in-progress party that also needs a healer the DF algorithm will match you with the fresh party.

Oh that would make sense! I had always just assumed parties missing members got first pick, although now that I think about it, that could be exploited easily. :X

[SturmChurro]

Now adding a new story. Tanking again gunbreaker, my healer Astrologian is still in full regular shire! Doma Castle. Another one, same thing actually better geared than the first. I was in a good mood did big pulls partly anyway with an overuse of dcd and we cleared it fine. Gave the healer a commendation.

Made a picture (he just got that yanxian belt on the first boss kill):

You know, with reading all of these in here... the one thing that has really started to stand out is just how much of a free pass the DPS's seem to get unless they do something incredibly outrageous.

Tank doesn't pull big enough, they get blasted... Healer cant heal the big pull they get blasted... These two kinds of stories pop up way way more often than the DPS's not aoe'ing or standing in the fire, or constantly failing to meet dps race requirements, you know like the dps race requirement for the big pulls to succeed? Yet for whatever reason, more often than not its the tank or healer that first gets the blame for those pulls failing. Go figure.

Part of why I'm a bit more lenient on a tank or healer failing, as their failures are painfully obvious already... its the dps that get to quietly sweep theirs under the rug and try and point fingers elsewhere.

I actively complain about dps not doing any aoe, don't worry there. I call them out too, post about them all the time. Thing about DPS is they won't aoe even if you tell them to aoe, they are literally allergic to it. Like if they used any they might need to actually go to the hospital. You can easily tell when they aren't if they don't have any threat on any but one of the mobs.

So what you are saying is that you should never queue for Bardham's Mettle unless you already outgear the dungeon, have no anxiety at all, have not been on an extended break from the game, have *already* ran Mettle before, are not leveling a Gunbreaker and are already used to the expansion job changes. You are also saying that if the DPS are bads and aren't AoEing, it's somehow your fault and you should be kicked for not compensating for the bad DPS. That's what you're saying, yes?

Dps most definitely, that is a player actively refusing to use their kit, this has nothing to do with skill. Just press 3 buttons and you can aoe! That should never be tolerated, a healer is different. Rather the DPS should be kicked. I don't think a healer should be kicked for not doing damage.

I'm saying if you don't feel like you have anything to offer the others in your party, then don't waste their time. To do otherwise is inconsiderate.

If you need some self-confidence, or feel like you'd impose on other people due to your lack of capacity to read tooltips, then perhaps a party with people you already know would be best.

Perhaps rather than trying to queue for a dungeon you don't feel like you can handle, or are anxious about, you can queue for a lower dungeon you *can* handle. Start from Sastasha if you must.

As for who gets kicked, that's up to the party to decide. Usually the weakest link is pretty clear.

Exactly. you don't even need a parser to gauge a dps. Very easy to tell if they aren't doing aoe or underperforming on a boss pull, you can actually use threat as a basis now. On top of the amount of time it takes to do either of these, for example Malikah's Well last boss, it should be dead before a third crystal nail if your dps is good. I personally don't call out players for low dps though, I specifically call them out on the occasion that they are making the group take centuries to kill trash mobs because they refuse to do aoe.

[Crushnight]

multiple people have posted questions about preventive measures for too low gear in leveling dungeons for the live letter, hopefully one gets picked and we could hear a response to this issue.

[SturmChurro]

It seems a lot of you take this GAME way too seriously. It's a game. In the end, people play for FUN. In the Duty Finder you don't know what you're going to get when it comes to a dungeon.

Most of the past content? I don't remember. I didn't realize, I need to watch dungeon videos on ALL past dungeons on a regular basis so I remember every single mechanic for every single fight at all times.

Sorry, I have a life. People will always be leveling new jobs, people will be in the duty finder and most likely from time to time get plopped in a dungeon they don't remember or have never done in that role.

I'm sorry, all of you PICTURE PERFECT PLAYERS, know every single aspect of this game inside and out and feel that your time is being wasted by people still learning or struggling, but in the end it is still a game. If you don't want to run the risk of new people, people learning jobs or less than perfect players, why don't YOU form a party of people you know?

How about that?

A dps aoe combo is about 3 skills. 3 buttons. It should be common knowledge to wear gear that is applicable to the dungeon you are queuing up for. This literally shouldn't take a rocket scientist here.

How about learners make a practice party? If we wanna go that route.

None of this is even related to mechanics.

[SenorPatty]

It seems a lot of you take this GAME way too seriously. It's a game. In the end, people play for FUN. In the Duty Finder you don't know what you're going to get when it comes to a dungeon.

Most of the past content? I don't remember. I didn't realize, I need to watch dungeon videos on ALL past dungeons on a regular basis so I remember every single mechanic for every single fight at all times.

Sorry, I have a life. People will always be leveling new jobs, people will be in the duty finder and most likely from time to time get plopped in a dungeon they don't remember or have never done in that role.

I'm sorry, all of you PICTURE PERFECT PLAYERS, know every single aspect of this game inside and out and feel that your time is being wasted by people still learning or struggling, but in the end it is still a game. If you don't want to run the risk of new people, people learning jobs or less than perfect players, why don't YOU form a party of people you know?

How about that? I am not saying it is acceptable to show up in a dungeon without the proper gear or simply stand there and do nothing, but if people are trying and at least asking or revealing upfront they are still learning...give them a break.

I consider a serious offense something like falling asleep during a dungeon..guess what? *raises hand* I fell asleep during MSQ roulette last night during the Omega boss fight. Luckily I didn't get kicked but it would have totally been deserved. There are times you deserve it and others you don't. However, some of you people are really ridiculous in terms of your expectations.

I activate my trap card: mirrored argument. This card allows me to flip your argument right back to you because it basically goes both ways.

[NekoNova]

Summoner AoE :

1. Place Tri-disaster on main target
2. Spread to other targets
3. Get your Aether stacks
4. Cast Pet ability for AoE
5. Cast AoE spell
6. Cast AoE Aether spell
7. repeat 4-6
8. Enter trance
9. Repeat 1-7

Last night broke 30k dps on that, but sure as hell is more than 3 buttons