Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Alathon]

A large part of this is SE not allowing us to use the necessary tools to gauge dps's performance and handing out bans to those trying to hold players accountable for their underperformance.

It really kinda is. Just had a funny duty finder run of Eden's Gate - Descent, myself.

First attempt: markers flying everywhere, took around five minutes to get to 60%, healer lb3 extended the engagement for some more learning, wipe.
Second attempt: simple but accurate mechanics explanation before pull, fewer markers flying everywhere but DPS dying constantly to mechanics, tank deaths as healers (myself included) try to juggle and fail, almost bailed out by healer lb3 at like 24% but other healer has bad luck and I was stunlocked in the bad.
Third attempt: DPS still panic when they get markers and ignore the timer that actually tells them when it goes off, DPS dying to mechanics, after something like ten minutes of chain-rezzing its the healers turn to fail mechanics and we wipe.

I have this nagging sensation in the back of my head that not a single DPS broke 5.5k, and some were below 3. Tanks seemed to be doing their jobs minus one or two avoidable deaths, healers were mediocre but could keep up under normal load.

All I could do was smile sadly. My only regret was that someone else beat me to the abandon and ate the thirty; I wasn't going to re-queue after that slog.

[HyoMinPark]

True but the only way for us to know is if you see them doing single target attacks vs AoEs and that is assuming you are familiar with each classes AoEs skill and potential. Without a parser anyway.

Generally, you can tell if DPS aren't AOEing due to the rate at which a trash pack dies. If you have a larger pull like one of the first two in Holminster that take several minutes to die, it's fairly safe to assume the DPS aren't AOEing and are single-targeting.

[savageink]

trying to hold players accountable for their underperformance.

Or "an excuse to act like a toxic douche". Parsing isn't the answer for people failing mechanics.

[Hawklaser]

Or "an excuse to act like a toxic douche". Parsing isn't the answer for people failing mechanics.

Some people are going to be toxic with or without parses when you fail mechanics. Parses are just a tool. Some people use that tool to improve themselves, other people use that tool to make themselves look like a tool.

[Alathon]

Or "an excuse to act like a toxic douche". Parsing isn't the answer for people failing mechanics.

It is however an answer to people who choose to do the bare minimum of effort, counting on others to carry them. Mechanics failures are obvious. It would help a lot to have a scoreboard shown at the end of a dungeon or trial, when completed or abandoned, so that everyone understands more of what was going on.

[Seraph522]

Just got out of a Void Ark run where all three tanks failed to pick up Sawtooth during the second boss fight, so I ended up playing MCH!Tank for pretty much all of it. And I lasted most of the fight too, until our healers got distracted.

[savageink]

It is however an answer to people who choose to do the bare minimum of effort, counting on others to carry them. Mechanics failures are obvious. It would help a lot to have a scoreboard shown at the end of a dungeon or trial, when completed or abandoned, so that everyone understands more of what was going on.

People who want to improve their performance have tools for that purpose. Every expansion has a training field for you to test rotations against. I've never said people shouldn't have parsers, but I do totally agree that if they use them to berate other players instead of for their own improvement they deserve to be banned.

[Skivvy]

Has anyone noticed an issue with the Join Party in Progress with the Eden raids? I just dropped from Eden 4 because our healer had DC'd, so I was going to try and re-queue as the replacement for the group. I dropped, changed to WHM and re-queued within about 10 seconds, but I got 2 fresh groups in my queue Didn't try a 3rd time as I didn't want to get locked out.

While I was initially waiting for the first group on my DNC, it had to reform 3 times - twice because of the healers, the first time I didn't catch it. So I wonder if they were also fishing for their In-Progress run and couldn't get it.

It is possible that someone managed to sneak in during those ~10 seconds I was gone, but who knows.

[RobinMalvin]

Met a RDM in Dohn Mheg who only spammed Jolt II > Verthunder/Veraero even for more than 4 mobs, never cast Verfire/Verstone even when they're available and not touching any of their OGCD (no Manafication, no Embolden, no Acceleration, no Lucid). At least they did melee combo on bosses but when a healer can outdps you throughout the entire dungeon something's clearly wrong. Felt sorry for the nice DRG that kept tethering him for Eye.

[alimdia]

Has anyone noticed an issue with the Join Party in Progress with the Eden raids? I just dropped from Eden 4 because our healer had DC'd, so I was going to try and re-queue as the replacement for the group. I dropped, changed to WHM and re-queued within about 10 seconds, but I got 2 fresh groups in my queue Didn't try a 3rd time as I didn't want to get locked out.

While I was initially waiting for the first group on my DNC, it had to reform 3 times - twice because of the healers, the first time I didn't catch it. So I wonder if they were also fishing for their In-Progress run and couldn't get it.

It is possible that someone managed to sneak in during those ~10 seconds I was gone, but who knows.

Don't quote me on this, but I believe if a fresh party has been waiting for a healer for significantly longer than an in-progress party that also needs a healer the DF algorithm will match you with the fresh party.