Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Insertcoins]

I have to because I occasionally need to "adjust" to a healer when an emergency happens since I only pull big, what do you mean? I regularly use it on trash pulls too, but the point is, I shouldn't have to. Not talking about optimal usage or strat here. Most dungeons do not have emergencies.

Also, you don't have to worry I hate tank and only play it to get the mounts and do dungeons when there is "tank in need" I hate tanking.

I am not a hotshot, I am just a regular player trying to help players learn how to play effectively. I need to actually go get my mentor crown back at this point.

ouch... that hurts. Why do you only pull big? That can't be helpful 100% of the time. Actually that reminds me of a tank I had yesterday morning.... tho he was HORRIBLE! I don't have an issue with mass pulling but I ALSO believe in adjusting to various skill levels. My astro while geared but player wise I was NOT geared for him to be trying to speed run that shit. We wiped 3 times cause he refused to read chat. If he had he'd known that was literally my FIRST try at astro in months. I mentioned this. He didn't read and blamed me for the wipe. I even warned him at the start. But nope my fault. You remind me of that tank. Take it like this.... a DPS tells you he ONLY single targets. Even after 3 large pulls he ONLY singles. Or a healer who ONLY heals. No dps, no buffs.. just. Cure 1. When you switch the roles and use your rule it falls apart hard. but I rambled.... why do you only pull big? I generally want to know.

[Rakshazi]

As a general rule of thumb, I like big pulls (regardless of the class I play).
But more than big pulls, I like nice players. I'll take a bad player with a positive attitude over any phenomenal party composition if their attitude is garbage - not that these should be mutually exclusive.


Churro, you didn't accomplish anything on that day. No more than making a healer potentially quit his role, like we needed any more healers to quit...

Don't worry, mate! I will level up the healer soon enough for this expansion, so even if there will be -10 healers you still will have +1! Hey that's good, right? RIGHT!??!?! xD

[Pepsi_Plunge]

It doesn't take a good tank to realise this. I'm still leveling my paladin, at level 69 right now, and I used to save my Hallowed Ground for emergencies. I am by no means a good tank, I still have trouble mass-pulling on all but the easiest content and several dungeons have single trash groups that really really hurt me. Gear is part of the problem, of course, I try to keep up with gear but it takes the end of expansion set to make me comfortable again.

And then I came to the sudden realisation: Bosses are very rarely difficult for me, and those painful trash pulls could become so much *less* painful if I used Hallowed Ground on them. 7 minute cooldown is rough but this means I can get two uses out of it per dungeon, so why not?

Yeah, Holy Ground is great for that indeed. Pull everything, then pop Holy Ground and take no dmg at all for the next 10 seconds while the healer can go full DPS on those mobs. Superbolide is way more tricky: Your health already needs to be as low as possible and if you don't time it right you either die or, sometimes, the healer just wasted a powerful instaheal as they just pushed their button a millisecond before you did. And while you take no dmg for the next 8 seconds - two seconds less then PLD - the healer still needs to top your health before the time's up, so they DPS less. Sure, your cooldown is shorter,but it's still 6 minutes, so GNB probably can't use Superbolide more often per dungeon then the PLD can pop Holy Ground.

[Tyrial]

No, they need a dose of reality. The gear disparity isn't as bad as the tank I had the other day in the same dungeon, but it is still there. Telling the healer "it's okay, just keep trying" isn't going to do anything, that's why there are so many bad players in this game. The dose of reality is the wipe was caused because of them and they should know it. I should not have to use every single one of my dcd's to prevent a wipe (and I had to the second time). I'm just being matter of fact about it and not prettying up my words.

I'm sorry, but as a tank main since closed Beta...you're wrong. The wipe was completely on your shoulders. Your job as the tank is to make sure you're assisting the healer in keeping the party alive. If you check the healers gear and see it's "lacking" either ask if they're ok with large pulls or just don't pull big until you've seen what they can do. I'm a "Pull all the things" kind of guy, but good god, it takes 2 seconds to ask...

[SerLuke]

If I pull big and we wipe I apologize and offer to pull smaller, no need to be a jerk to people.

[SturmChurro]

ouch... that hurts. Why do you only pull big? That can't be helpful 100% of the time. Actually that reminds me of a tank I had yesterday morning.... tho he was HORRIBLE! I don't have an issue with mass pulling but I ALSO believe in adjusting to various skill levels. My astro while geared but player wise I was NOT geared for him to be trying to speed run that shit. We wiped 3 times cause he refused to read chat. If he had he'd known that was literally my FIRST try at astro in months. I mentioned this. He didn't read and blamed me for the wipe. I even warned him at the start. But nope my fault. You remind me of that tank. Take it like this.... a DPS tells you he ONLY single targets. Even after 3 large pulls he ONLY singles. Or a healer who ONLY heals. No dps, no buffs.. just. Cure 1. When you switch the roles and use your rule it falls apart hard. but I rambled.... why do you only pull big? I generally want to know.

I don't that's just a funny saying I like I like to post, it leads to some wild conversations. I do pull big on default, but I will "adjust" and pull smaller if I have to unless they are rude. Most of my conversation was at the mentor and not the healer. The healer was just collateral damage in a public conversation, I usually don't talk. I don't like mentors though, so I thought this was a funny conversation to post, he had no idea what he was talking about. I usually poke at mentors any chance I get.

I was just being hyperbolic.

That healer could handle big pulls if I used more dcd on that particular pull, and truthfully the wipe was partly my fault since it was before the second boss (which does nothing) and I would be free to pop every single one of my dcd's and I was just complacent. I popped the usual amount, but it wasn't enough and I didn't hit superbolide fast enough, I used it like living dead and should have used it when I saw the healer could barely manage my health for a bit of reprieve. I mostly tank dark knight, and have only tanked with gunbreaker a small amount maybe 15 dungeon runs total. The true fault lies with both me and the heal. Didn't need to pull small, but I should have anticipated using my dcd's at a more proper time.

When I was looking through some of my post history I thought these were quite funny. I still don't tank anything but dungeons, because I don't know what I am doing, even now.

I still can't understand how people don't know how to hold it. I am NOT a very good tank and all I have to do is a couple simple rotations, and switch to more damaging. If someone starts creeping up I do it again, or something quick inbetween to rebuild some threat. It's literally as easy as 1, 2, 3.

I'm too scared to do difficult content with tank. I'm more worried about doing the mechanics than holding aggro!

[galbsadi]

As a general rule of thumb, I like big pulls (regardless of the class I play).
But more than big pulls, I like nice players. I'll take a bad player with a positive attitude over any phenomenal party composition if their attitude is garbage - not that these should be mutually exclusive.


Churro, you didn't accomplish anything on that day. No more than making a healer potentially quit his role, like we needed any more healers to quit...

That's not....entirely true. He accomplished warning all of the rest of us what kind of person he is should we ever get the displeasure of getting grouped with him.

Also, Churro, fair warning: unlike the healer that took your berating and ran...if I saw that behavior...I'd just kick you and move on. Tanks are dime a dozen too.

[SturmChurro]

Also, Churro, fair warning: unlike the healer that took your berating and ran...if I saw that behavior...I'd just kick you and move on. Tanks are dime a dozen too.

I was expecting a kick actually. I would have welcomed it. I am surprised the mentor didn't kick me, they should have. I totally agree. I have always advocated for equal opportunity kicks, if you have a valid reason, and kicking me would have been valid.

Oh most definitively if I get kicked for that, it was justified. I don't report people. Difference in playstyle right? Reported? Yeah, being reported wouldn't fly. I didn't do anything wrong, they are usually the ones harassing me actually; there will be evidence of that in the chat, for that matter.

I was being a bit hyperbolic and facetious in that post, I won't keep pulling big if the healer can't handle it, and I usually do not respond at all; I don't talk at all in dungeons, unless they start being rude to me. You wouldn't believe what people put in the chat for the most minor things. A group will actively kick people for no reason, tank or not - at last boss if they feel like it, it's rampant in this game. I take particular offense to a so called "mentor" who cannot handle any kind of high level play as well, then try to tell others how to play the wrong way. I have a particular hatred for mentors in general though so there is a bit of bias there, and it always cracks me up. Yes, I should be able to pull big, for the reason of saving time. I have run these dungeons dozens and dozens of times for levels; they are routine. When I am queueing for these in mass I do not want to waste time with baby pulls. When I am playing a dps or healer, I don't say anything or try to dictate the pace of the dungeon, but when I am tank, I'm pulling big. I expect the dps to utilize their aoe rotations just like I do, and the healer to be able to heal and maybe even put a little bit of damage out themselves if they are able.

Best not to overthink it. You can always do small pulls until you get used to it. The tank decides the pulls.

At this point, it's mostly just making sure you have your tank stance on, and aoe'ing a couple times, and you pretty much won't ever lose aggro. When it comes to DCD management, I don't really know gunbreakers kit, as I haven't leveled one yet, but generally, when you get used to it, you just time them right. Remember arm's length is a dcd now, and can really help with some packs. By timing I mean, take note of what the healer has used on you, in time you will get used to the healers cds as well as yours. Sometimes the healer will have downtime, and you ahve to pop something to keep up, or the healer is doing dps. How fast adds are being downed, will you have this dcd up by next pull, etc.. As a dark knight generally I will use 'The blackest Night' on cd during pulls, and some pulls it's the only cd you need. If you are going in before a boss room, depending on the boss/healer you might even be able to get away with just dumping everything. You can even dump some dcd right after a boss is downed and the new adds, because it will be up by the time you get to the adds before boss room. You would be better off not just sitting on your skills, and use them. During boss, I have yet to play the other tank classes, but generally you wanna manage your MP on dark knight for example so you can pop "blackest night" on a buster, pay attention to the boss's casts.

[FedoraTheExplorer]

Been dealing with a lot of impatient tanks as of late who rush off to fight the bosses despite party members being in cutscenes. Let us watch the bloody things, some of us do care about the story. They're not even long cutscenes either. Yeah, you can teleport into the fight afterwards etc etc etc but I still don't like feeling of being hurried and being an inconvenience to the rest of the party. "Story journal"---yeah mate someone watching a fifteen second cutscene in one dungeon isn't going to kill you.

[Hezzlocks]

Been dealing with a lot of impatient tanks as of late who rush off to fight the bosses despite party members being in cutscenes. Let us watch the bloody things, some of us do care about the story. They're not even long cutscenes either. Yeah, you can teleport into the fight afterwards etc etc etc but I still don't like feeling of being hurried and being an inconvenience to the rest of the party. "Story journal"---yeah mate someone watching a fifteen second cutscene in one dungeon isn't going to kill you.

I make it a point not to pull while someone is "Viewing Cutscene". If they skip cutscene, great, if they watch the whole thing, sure go ahead pal I feel ya, if it's 4 man Ifrit or Garuda and they're watching that entire long cutscene, yeah ok I can be patient go right ahead, not like I can pull in either of those cases anyway...