Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[HyoMinPark]

No, they need a dose of reality. The gear disparity isn't as bad as the tank I had the other day in the same dungeon, but it is still there. Telling the healer "it's okay, just keep trying" isn't going to do anything, that's why there are so many bad players in this game. The dose of reality is the wipe was caused because of them. I should not have to use every single one of my dcd's to prevent a wipe (and I had to the second time).

This tank:

This tank is irrelevant to our current conversation. That said, you can still tell them they need better gear without being a jerk about it. Just like you could have done with this healer. You were not nice when it came to discussing their gear. You were not constructive. You were honestly kind of like the mentors people on here make fun of, if I’m being honest.

“A dose of reality”? What you did wasn’t a dose a reality—you were just being rude. Sorry, not sorry, but there is no talking around the way you acted. As I said, that chat log does not depict you in a good light. Telling a healer “It’s okay, let’s try again if you would like” would be far better than “that was your fault because your gear sucks”. Even saying “If your gear was slightly better, that pull probably would have gone a little smoother” would have been better than “LOL that was your fault”. If you disagree, I really don’t know what to tell you.

Most CDs are used during trash pulls in dungeons. If you were being overly conservative with them—which you said in another post that you could have not been as conservative, if I recall—how is that the healer’s fault? Later you even said the healer was doing fine—so, which was it? Did they suck or were they fine? And, if they were doing fine, why act the way you did towards them over the wipe and their gear? Anyways, sometimes you have to overlap CDs or double stack if your healer can’t keep up. This is called “adjusting”. Not every healer is god-tier, so you need to learn to adjust to the ones that are not. You’re more likely to run into them than the god-tier ones.

[SturmChurro]

This tank is irrelevant to our current conversation. That said, you can still tell them they need better gear without being a jerk about it. Just like you could have done with this healer. You were not nice when it came to discussing their gear. You were not constructive. You were honestly kind of like the mentors people on here make fun of, if I’m being honest.

“A dose of reality”? What you did wasn’t a dose a reality—you were just being rude. Sorry, not sorry, but there is no talking around the way you acted. As I said, that chat log does not depict you in a good light. Telling a healer “It’s okay, let’s try again if you would like” would be far better than “that was your fault because your gear sucks”. If you disagree, I really don’t know what to tell you.

Most CDs are used during trash pulls in dungeons. If you were being overly conservative with them—which you said in another post that you could have not been as conservative, if I recall—how is that the healer’s fault? Sometimes you have to overlap CDs or double stack if your healer can’t keep up. This is called “adjusting”. Not every healer is god-tier, so you need to learn to adjust to the ones that are not.

A smart tank thinks about the next pull, how fast the adds are going down, which dcd's to use when, will they be off cd by the next pull? If I don't have certain dcd up the healer cannot heal me effectively for my next big pull, I use them conservatively and spread them out through the dungeon. Blowing all dcd on one pull means you have none for the next. Especially if you blow your immunity.

Yes. So then you adjust for the next pull. If it means going a little lighter on it, then so be it. Better that than wiping and trying to blame the healer for it, in my opinion.

When I do these pulls over and over and over. and 8/10 times the healer can handle the pull just fine, it's the healer not me. Especially when I am actually better geared now than when I was before.

If you aren't cycling through nearly every one of your CDs on the super pulls, you're borderline griefing your healer. For Bardam's Mettle in particular, you will need all your big boy CDs if you do the wall to wall pull with the three stone heads. Even if better geared healers can handle it, they aren't going to be DPSing—which kinda negates the whole benefit of a big pull.

As for "face your fears." Not everyone approaches their fears in the same way. And who are you to determine they have now? You've essentially said, "I'm going to force you to handle something you may be terrified of and if you fail at it, I'll berate you." Totally not rude at all or anything.

In what scenario is having to use superbolide on a trash pull MY fault?!

I think the moment you noticed the healer’s gear wasn’t ideal that you could have adjusted. 8/10 times still leaves 2/10 where you will need to adjust. Adjusting isn’t a bad thing. This healer sounds like they were probably a newer/inexperienced healer, meaning that you will probably have to treat them a bit differently from career healers.

As for the gear, gear in Bardam’s syncs to level 66. It’s irrelevant if you’re better geared unless you’re talking Bardam’s gear versus max level gear. Level 70 gear and above will all sync the same in there.


Sorry, but you can’t convince me that you weren’t a jerk in this scenario. No matter how hard you try to shove the blame onto the healer.

It does because I started tanking this dungeon in almost full shisui and only a couple pieces of bardams gear.

[HyoMinPark]

A smart tank thinks about the next pull, how fast the adds are going down, which dcd's to use when, will they be off cd by the next pull? If I don't have certain dcd up the healer cannot heal me effectively for my next big pull, I use them conservatively and spread them out through the dungeon. Blowing all dcd on one pull means you have none for the next. Especially if you blow your immunity.

Yes. So then you adjust for the next pull. If it means going a little lighter on it, then so be it. Better that than wiping and trying to blame the healer for it, in my opinion.

When I do these pulls over and over and over. and 8/10 times the healer can handle the pull just fine, it's the healer not me. Especially when I am actually better geared now than when I was before.

I think the moment you noticed the healer’s gear wasn’t ideal that you could have adjusted. 8/10 times still leaves 2/10 where you will need to adjust. Adjusting isn’t a bad thing. This healer sounds like they were probably a newer/inexperienced healer, meaning that you will probably have to treat them a bit differently from career healers.

As for the gear, gear in Bardam’s syncs to level 66. It’s irrelevant if you’re better geared unless you’re talking Bardam’s gear versus max level gear. Level 70 gear and above will all sync the same in there.


Sorry, but you can’t convince me that you weren’t a jerk in this scenario. No matter how hard you try to shove the blame onto the healer.

In what scenario is having to use superbolide on a trash pull MY fault?!

Immunities can be used on trash pulls though. Why wouldn’t you use that? When else are you going to plan to use that? Shouldn’t you use everything at your disposal, just like the other roles are supposed to use everything at their disposal?

I get that Superbolide can be difficult with pug healers to time—and it can cause newer ones to panic because of the drop to 1 HP thing—but deliberately sitting on it isn’t a good thing. It’s wasting resources. Superbolide still has 8 seconds of immunity like Hallowed has 10, and it doesn’t require being healed to full like Living Dead does (honestly, if we were talking about LD, I’d be a bit more sympathetic but still tell you that you should use it if you have to). The only one better that Superbolide is Hallowed Ground because you don’t have to heal through it at all.

[ForteNightshade]

No, they need a dose of reality. The gear disparity isn't as bad as the tank I had the other day in the same dungeon, but it is still there. Telling the healer "it's okay, just keep trying" isn't going to do anything, that's why there are so many bad players in this game. The dose of reality is the wipe was caused because of them and they should know it. I should not have to use every single one of my dcd's to prevent a wipe (and I had to the second time). I'm just being matter of fact about it and not prettying up my words.

This tank:


There is a saying "face your fears".

Should have been wearing shisui then!

If you aren't cycling through nearly every one of your CDs on the super pulls, you're borderline griefing your healer. For Bardam's Mettle in particular, you will need all your big boy CDs if you do the wall to wall pull with the three stone heads. Even if better geared healers can handle it, they aren't going to be DPSing—which kinda negates the whole benefit of a big pull.

As for "face your fears." Not everyone approaches their fears in the same way. And who are you to determine they have now? You've essentially said, "I'm going to force you to handle something you may be terrified of and if you fail at it, I'll berate you." Totally not rude at all or anything.

[Diggles]

I will not change my playstyle to baby a player who refuses to actually prepare for the dungeon they are queuing for

This is... one of the universal signs of a terrible tank in any game for as far back as I can remember. A good tank tests what their group is capable of and adjusts pulls accordingly. His gear was actually fine for the dungeon even if his abilities may not have been - you, however, were the problem for not adjusting to what the group could handle. The best driver in the world knows to slow down when road conditions are less than ideal - the hotshot who thinks he's good doesn't slow down and ends up hitting a tree. You are the latter. Anyone who's ever tanked at a high level in pretty much any MMO would cringe at you.

[ForteNightshade]

In what scenario is having to use superbolide on a trash pull MY fault?!

... when else would you use it? The bosses certainly don't hit hard enough to warrant immunities. I regularly use Superbolide because it lets the healer go nuts. Please, please tell me you aren't saving it for emergencies...

[SturmChurro]

... when else would you use it? The bosses certainly don't hit hard enough to warrant immunities. I regularly use Superbolide because it lets the healer go nuts. Please, please tell me you aren't saving it for emergencies...

I have to because I occasionally need to "adjust" to a healer when an emergency happens since I only pull big, what do you mean? I regularly use it on trash pulls too, but the point is, I shouldn't have to. Not talking about optimal usage or strat here. Most dungeons do not have emergencies.

Also, you don't have to worry I hate tank and only play it to get the mounts and do dungeons when there is "tank in need" I hate tanking.

This is... one of the universal signs of a terrible tank in any game for as far back as I can remember. A good tank tests what their group is capable of and adjusts pulls accordingly. His gear was actually fine for the dungeon even if his abilities may not have been - you, however, were the problem for not adjusting to what the group could handle. The best driver in the world knows to slow down when road conditions are less than ideal - the hotshot who thinks he's good doesn't slow down and ends up hitting a tree. You are the latter. Anyone who's ever tanked at a high level in pretty much any MMO would cringe at you.

I am not a hotshot, I am just a regular player trying to help players learn how to play effectively. I need to actually go get my mentor crown back at this point.

[HyoMinPark]

I have to because I occasionally need to "adjust" to a healer when an emergency happens since I only pull big, what do you mean? I regularly use it on trash pulls too, but the point is, I shouldn't have to. Not talking about optimal usage or strat here.

If you have to use it to try and prevent a wipe, you should use it. This just sounds like you didn’t like that you had to press your immunity because you decided to pull big despite the healer being unable to handle such a pull due to gear.

I am not a hotshot, I am just a regular player trying to help players learn how to play effectively. I need to actually go get my mentor crown back at this point.

Yeah, telling someone “that was your fault” for a wipe and then subsequently berating someone repeatedly over their gear to the point that they leave the dungeon is certainly helping them learn how to play effectively.

I’m off to bed. It’s clear that there is no getting through to you here.

[Hezzlocks]

... when else would you use it? The bosses certainly don't hit hard enough to warrant immunities. I regularly use Superbolide because it lets the healer go nuts. Please, please tell me you aren't saving it for emergencies...

It doesn't take a good tank to realise this. I'm still leveling my paladin, at level 69 right now, and I used to save my Hallowed Ground for emergencies. I am by no means a good tank, I still have trouble mass-pulling on all but the easiest content and several dungeons have single trash groups that really really hurt me. Gear is part of the problem, of course, I try to keep up with gear but it takes the end of expansion set to make me comfortable again.

And then I came to the sudden realisation: Bosses are very rarely difficult for me, and those painful trash pulls could become so much *less* painful if I used Hallowed Ground on them. 7 minute cooldown is rough but this means I can get two uses out of it per dungeon, so why not?

[Odstarva]

As a general rule of thumb, I like big pulls (regardless of the class I play).
But more than big pulls, I like nice players. I'll take a bad player with a positive attitude over any phenomenal party composition if their attitude is garbage - not that these should be mutually exclusive.


Churro, you didn't accomplish anything on that day. No more than making a healer potentially quit his role, like we needed any more healers to quit...