SE needs to do more to help bad players

[Xtrasweettea]

Yep. Let's do it. Also make it if you're in any of the group's blacklist (or you have ANY of the group members blacklist) and try to join, it fails to join. Also, increase blacklist limit to 1'000'000'000 characters. And make it so you can broadcast a player to blacklist and get them automatically added to all your friend list's blacklists too, as well as all LS and FC members' blacklists. I'm deadly serious about that. Watch how quickly the bad players get locked out of content doing that.

I am sensing some level of sarcasim here. Not sure, but something tells me this is.

I don’t think you understand what I meant by Player Blacklists. I will expand on this.

What I am referring to is not the Blacklist FF14 has built into the game.

Instead, it is a Blacklist created outside of game. During the days of FFXI, Endgame Linkshells would have a list on their forums which members could only get access to.

The list would contain the names of players who are barred from either joining the group or temporarily join in on content that needs non-members to fill certain roles.
The Blacklisted player would have a description on why they are Blacklisted.

Not all Blacklists were the same. Some had “timers” that would expire and allow a player to no-longer be Blacklisted. Entries could also be contested if a Linkshell member or officer knew of the person who was Blacklisted.

Sometimes lists were shared between allied Linkshells.

People had their own personal Blacklist as well (I did). I would avoid doing content with certain people.

Of course, we could do this because there was no such thing as cross server DF or DR. We didn’t even have PF. Everything either done through /shout (like Eureka) or online through websites and forums (today we would use PF or Discord). You couldn’t do anything cross sever… so it was all in-server. You had social standings and reputation between you and your fellow players. Blacklists (and their opposites, Whitelists) are just a written form of that standing and reputation.

That is what I meant about Player Blacklist.

[SamSmoot]

What SE could do it add a built-in personal parser that shows just your DPS (and HPS if on a healer) then after the fight compare your numbers to others of your job with the same average ilvl gear. If you're on Monk and have average ilvl 440 and your DPS is 4,000 less that the the average 440 ilvl Monk you could see this. It would give you an idea that you're doing something wrong and should do some reading up on your class.

This is something I suggested in WoW as well. Keep it private. Remove the exact numbers and just show a bar graph showing party member's relative performance, scaled by player / gear level, so it players with equal performance but different level / gear would show the same. If you see yourself consistently underperforming, you coudl sign up for training. or be forced into it

Of course, they'd have to back it up with a training system, Perhaps version of the trust system where it shows you where you could do better and how, without the feeling of disapproval by other players.

But there's also the issue of players with disabilities that make it impossible for them to play at max level. It could be a problem to force them out of content because they can't match everyone else in DPS or HPS.

[Dyvid]

I, like many of you, often find myself internally raging as I watch players commit any number of major offenses:

* Not using AoE on 3+ enemies (2 depending on class)
* Never ever ever doing damage (Healers...)
* Mindlessly failing the same mechanic over and over again

Now, the last one is the one I really wanna focus on. Even a DPS doing nothing but single target is doing damage, but dead players do zero. There is very little for a bad player to do but continuously throw themselves into content and fail. Now you would think organic learning would occur and natural progress would be made, but for some people this either never comes or simply comes unbelievably slowly. SSS is a nice idea as a test for if you can do a fight, but it doesn't ACTUALLY tell you if you are good enough to do the mechanics.

I suggest a special "Mechanic Test Zone" that players can use to bridge the gap between the lowest content and mid-core content. It would handle things like:

* Overlapping but delayed AoE's
* Time mechanics (Think E2)
* Preys
* Tank swaps
* Tankbusters
* Boss positioning
* Downtime for healers (And then different forms of burst damage)
* Patterns (to help players work on memory since that seems to be a big issue)

Simple things like these would go a LONG way to improving the general skill of this community.

Well it is past time to update Guildhest. The whole point was to show mechanics after all.

[ksuyen]

A teachable spirit and a humbleness to admit your ignorance or your mistake will save you a lot of pain. However, if you're a person who knows it all, then you've got a lot of heavy-hearted experiences coming your way.

[Paladinleeds]

I am sensing some level of sarcasim here. Not sure, but something tells me this is.

I don’t think you understand what I meant by Player Blacklists. I will expand on this.

That is what I meant about Player Blacklist.

Thanks for the explanation about the player blacklists.

But no, I wasn't being sarcastic about it. I'm talking about making it that if you are a bad player (be it in terms of skill or personality), you'll very quickly end up on every blacklist of players in the game, or at least on enough that anytime you try to join a PF you'll get an error and your PFs will never fill up (because people won't be able to join). Of course, people who's blacklist you get automatically added to can remove you. or they can share out their blacklist too and add you to all their friends/FC/LS members blacklists. You'd be able to right click a name and click "Share with friends" or "Share with LS" etc, and the player would automatically be added to all the members of your friends list, or the linkshell you select, etc. Meaning being a toxic person to one person, could see you talked about to friends, and very quickly ending up on about 500'000 blacklists over one interaction. Basically, helping streamline the whole process of the player blacklists. Only thing missing would be the timers aspect.

This combined with an auto-kick function for performing below par (done by the game automatically, no players instigating the vote kick), giving you a 168 hour timeout from all duties, while also reducing your craftsmanship and gathering to 0 (so you can't gather or craft, as your progress would increase by 0% no matter what, and all gathering nodes would be at 0%), as well as reducing your STR/DEX/INT/MND by 100% (so you can't do combat either). I'd have it start from the very first guildhest, so every instanced duty involving multiple players would have it. It's brutal, but you'd be pushing out the bads. Unfortunately, for disabled players (including myself, I have problems with maintaining focus that degrades my performance), they'd be collateral damage. Perhaps a way to be able to prove to SE you have a disability and how it affects you, and have it adjusted for that? I don't know how else this could be done to protect disabled players?

And, though the extremity of this may suggest sarcasm, I am not being sarcastic here, I am suggesting it as a legitimate idea.

[Selova]

Yes they are.

A good group leader won't have this issue in PF. If your group stinks from PF its because the leader failed.

We gonna have a leadership tutorial now?

It happens in PF all the time. If you think this is specific to only DF you dont do much content in the PF. Groups disguising themselves as farm parties and having not only the leader but others failing basic mechanics happens all the time. A good leader only goes so far, they aren't the be all end all of a bad or good group.

[Rivxkobe]

If you want every healer to dps during down time then the game needs to change to mandate that.

For example: The healing mana costs across the board are increased slightly and the single target casted DPS nukes RESTORE mana instead of costing mana = healers need to DPS during down time in order to manage their mana.

Unless the above happens, the majority of healers are just not going to DPS as nothing in the game tells you to play that way outside of the community.

Ok so a couple of things.

One, why do DPS abilities need to restore your MP for them to be worth using? Them restoring MP makes no sense and its a silly idea to think this is what needs to happen to make Healers DPS.

Two. Have you done any of the healer quests? Have you solo'd as a healer? Not only do they HAVE DPS abilities but many of the quests tell you that there are times when you need to do damage when healing isn't needed. Healing keeps people alive but it doesn't directly help defeat the thing doing damage.

Why WHY do you think it is okay for a healer to stand around and do nothing when they don't need to heal? Why do you think this is how the role was designed? Why do you think this is fair to your team and helpful? Why do you think you need the game to tell you how to play effectively before you do?

[Windsun33]

Or do like every other MMO on the market does and allow players to do so without getting banned.

FFXIV has the largest population of absolutely awful players and is the only MMO that I know of ( I could be wrong feel free to correct me) that doesn't openly allow parsers, people to correct each other for better gameplay, and or simply removing people without like a 2 hour cool down.
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I agree with this 100%. But the parser ban is only part of the problem - another is that there is no general channel for such a topic. The Novice channel is a start, but only if you are a novice. There is also a lot of bad and outdated info on the internet.

[kidalutz]

Thanks for the explanation about the player blacklists.

But no, I wasn't being sarcastic about it. I'm talking about making it that if you are a bad player (be it in terms of skill or personality), you'll very quickly end up on every blacklist of players in the game, or at least on enough that anytime you try to join a PF you'll get an error and your PFs will never fill up (because people won't be able to join). Of course, people who's blacklist you get automatically added to can remove you. or they can share out their blacklist too and add you to all their friends/FC/LS members blacklists. You'd be able to right click a name and click "Share with friends" or "Share with LS" etc, and the player would automatically be added to all the members of your friends list, or the linkshell you select, etc. Meaning being a toxic person to one person, could see you talked about to friends, and very quickly ending up on about 500'000 blacklists over one interaction. Basically, helping streamline the whole process of the player blacklists. Only thing missing would be the timers aspect.

This combined with an auto-kick function for performing below par (done by the game automatically, no players instigating the vote kick), giving you a 168 hour timeout from all duties, while also reducing your craftsmanship and gathering to 0 (so you can't gather or craft, as your progress would increase by 0% no matter what, and all gathering nodes would be at 0%), as well as reducing your STR/DEX/INT/MND by 100% (so you can't do combat either). I'd have it start from the very first guildhest, so every instanced duty involving multiple players would have it. It's brutal, but you'd be pushing out the bads. Unfortunately, for disabled players (including myself, I have problems with maintaining focus that degrades my performance), they'd be collateral damage. Perhaps a way to be able to prove to SE you have a disability and how it affects you, and have it adjusted for that? I don't know how else this could be done to protect disabled players?

And, though the extremity of this may suggest sarcasm, I am not being sarcastic here, I am suggesting it as a legitimate idea.

Sounds like a job for the JUST US League. Seriously this is the most arrogant delluded idea I've ever seen in a game keep that crap for LoL.

[Kaethra]

You really think people who got fed clears don't join farm parties?
The PF is a mixed bag.

I think the people who lead properly filter them out.

Do you need a tutorial on how to do that?