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    I dont think anyone who is asking onslaught to be off beast guage is also expecting it to be on a 10 sec cooldown.

    Also, for those that say storms eye buff is not clunky because wars always had to ramp up for buff, please remember that pre ShB it was more efficient to overpower for aggro, then spam single target combo to generate rage until it was possible to decimate.

    With the advent of mythril tempest and it granting rage, IT IS NO LONGER EFFICIENT TO SPAM SINGLE TARGET COMBO.

    So where we used to spam single target combo, we now spam aoe combo. The CLUNKINESS has to do with the fact that the COMBO WE ARE SPAMMING DOES NOT GRANT THE DPS BUFF.

    It's nice that mythril tempest extends eye buff, but lets be honest, it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep eye buff up at all times in a dungeon. So you will have to single target combo then switch to aoe combo mutiply times in a dungeon.

    The BEST solution is to have mythril tempest GRANT eye buff - NOT FOR THE FULL 30 SECONDS. But 10 seconds stackable up to 30 is perfectly fine as it solves the problem WITHOUT competing with stormeye combo as a method of applying the buff.
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    Also, consider that almost, if not all pulls in dungeons are aoe spam fests.

    So a warrior would have to grab aggro with overpower, then mythril temepest, THEN EYE COMBO, and THEN SWITCH back to overpower and mythril tempest spam.

    It is INCREDIBLY CLUNKY and I don't know why people don't see it and say that it is anything but a misstep to not have mythril tempest just apply eye buff.

    Again, compare this with pre ShB where the warrior would hit overpower a few times then SINGLE TARGET COMBO SPAM for rage and decimate.

    So saying that eye is not clunky because wars always had to single target combo to apply dps buff IS FALSE because it doesnt take into account the change to gameplay resulting from the introduction of mythril temepest AND THE ABILITY to GENERATE RAGE FROM AN AOE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyneSwordz View Post
    I dont think anyone who is asking onslaught to be off beast guage is also expecting it to be on a 10 sec cooldown.

    Also, for those that say storms eye buff is not clunky because wars always had to ramp up for buff, please remember that pre ShB it was more efficient to overpower for aggro, then spam single target combo to generate rage until it was possible to decimate.
    But the 10 second recast is what helps makes it the superior gap closer. Gap closer and spam on CD dps ability shouldn't be the same thing, that's just bad design. Onslaught may need some adjustment but it's not the key "fix" to focus on.

    And, nobody should have been doing singe target rotation for aoe pulls, but there has in fact always been a threshold for when it is and when it's not worth it to spend 3 GCDs to put up eye. Right now it's ~6 mobs taking more than 35 seconds to kill (which means it'd be worth it to spend 3 gcds putting up eye). If you have decent DPS in the group then it's not worth it most of the time.

    But since my original post on this specific topic I've been trying to put up Eye as I go, per Izsha's suggestion. And it's mostly possible, not always, but it certainly can be done on most pulls without much additional effort. And for the one's that you can't, again it's not worth it most of the time because mobs don't live long enough to gain the lost potency back.

    The main reason I advocate for that change is because Warrior's damage is balanced around having an "always on" damage buff. Our AoE combo is close to the weakest, even with Eye, so it'd be nice to be able to take advantage of that buff responsible for this particular design without it being a pain in the arse to activate. The other tanks just press a button and get damage, the least we could have is Mythril Tempest granting 12-15 seconds of Eye.
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    Last edited by whiskeybravo; 07-24-2019 at 05:24 AM.