Pulling the bosses In dungeons as DPS a thing now?

[Venjenz]

In my off and on again playtime, the only time I have ever seen DPS run and grab stuff is literally like only the first 3-4 earliest dungeons, and when that has happened, I have literally thought to myself "okie doke, guess I need to speed up and grab stuff faster."

And with enmity gen like it is now, no matter who pulls what, I will have aggro within one gcd. It's that easy. So we are talking about about "oh no, teh deepz pulled in Sastasha!!!" Uhm whatever?

Here's where the real gripe comes from, if we are all being honest - DPS pulling means at least that DPS has decided their tank sucks, and that means zero player comms for tank, most likely. Maybe the healer will pity you, but chances are good that is a big 0 for that dungeon. Whatever. Get to 300 and everything after that is pointless anyway.

If DPS want to pull, remember where your AE buttons are. Done.

[Dixa]

1993. That's when I logged into my first MUD. had tanks and healers and dps.

you know what we didn't do back then? have dps pull - unless it was a rogue luring something several rooms away.

it's 2019. it's still rude to do and disrespects the tank. quit being jerks.

[Seabreeze]

I literally just did the first dungeon in Shadowbringers (don't remember the name of it) and not only did the DDs pull, the healer went out of his way to pull packs as well. "Fine", I thought, "I guess I'll pull more packs then". After the first boss I pulled 2 packs of mobs, 6 mobs in total, and we wiped. I used all of my CDs, including Hallowed Ground, and the healer was still not able to keep me up.

If you're so eager to pull mobs, roll a tank. It's that simple. Besides, is it really that important to clear the dungeon 2 minutes faster (if that) than it normally takes, while risking to wipe which makes it take longer?

I LOVE how mid-way through the dungeon the packs of mobs don't even spawn until you've killed the last pack of mobs - no ninja-pulling allowed!

I really enjoy tanking, but with the recent trend in ninja-pulling and "hurry hurry-mentality" I've started to dislike it more and more. Healing, something I also used to love, has practically been ruined by the monster-pulls most tanks do these days, where the tank is always balancing on <10% health and you're sweating just to keep him alive, while the DDs are moaning that you're not doing enough damage.

Just my thoughts.

[Rakshazi]

Honestly, mate, I'm with you on that. I'm a tank main since time immemorial in any games I've played. And I hate the things like that happen. There is a particular rules for dungeones and they must be maintained. I think i would've done the same. It's stupid - yes, it's toxic (a little) - yes, it's waste of time - yes. But it would give me a little of satisfaction anyway. It's a players like this dragoon piece you off and triggers the tanks in dungeons and such. It's their fault in the first place. The bad consequences of such actions is that healer will have to use resources to heal that dumbass instead of focusing on tank since, even if you use taunt, he will still get one-two hits from the boss. And I'm not even mention the morality damage of the tanking person when such things happens. Tanks are MUST go 1st not just because they want it - because it's the core mechanic of party.

[Rakshazi]

I am the tank main. Whenever I Q in the dungeon I always ask in the chat - "Fast or safe?". And listening only for HEALER's reply. Usualy I get response "Fast" so I know my healer is ready to patch me up in the big pull. When I get response "Safe" I do the small, usual pull and DPS can shove all their complains further in the A-hole if they need to. Because, it's true, the party mechanic actualy have in core the healer and the tank, while dps are just making things a bit faster in the MOST of the regular dungeons. There is not so much of dutyes where you need some DPS in time. So if you Q for duty as DPS be sure to understand that your job is doing damage, not pulling, not running around and ahead of the party, but stay BEHIND and let tank his job.

[Juanpierre]

I'm a tank main.

In dungeons, I care about speed. Why? Faster XP/tomes. Everything else is secondary. I don't care about feelings, including my own. If the healer can handle me pulling wall-to-wall, I'll do it. If a healer runs ahead and pulls a pack, it tells me I can move faster. So I do. If a dps pulls, I don't get my feelings hurt. I pick up the mobs/boss and we kill them as fast as possible.

What annoys me MUCH more in a dungeon is dps/healers who drag behind.

[Wyvernheart]

Tanks drag their feet to much. I don't know if other jobs have a timer like dragoons, but it sucks you lose it when a tank just stands there or for some reason never sprints between empty space. Tanks are just a big let down when this happens. Dragoons did nothing wrong.

[Machka]

Everything else is secondary. I don't care about feelings, including my own. If the healer can handle me pulling wall-to-wall, I'll do it. If a healer runs ahead and pulls a pack, it tells me I can move faster. So I do. If a dps pulls, I don't get my feelings hurt. I pick up the mobs/boss and we kill them as fast as possible.

Agreed 100%. This is what tanking is about. We are here to tank things and get the job done.

Dungeons are for the rewards and fun, not a stage for any particular player to have their ego massaged. That's not to say people shouldn't still be respectful to other players, but it's pointless for tanks (or anyone) to sit around feeling offended by the way someone is clearing a dungeon. Players who throw tantrums over perceived slights, like tanks who stop tanking when someone else pulls ahead of them, are just acting like spoiled children.

It's also just about the least heroic/warrior-y/leader-like behavior ever, which I always find ironic.

[aqskerorokero]

there is a thing, if you don't run ahead of your teammates, you deserve to have a dps to pull for you.....

[Kanitezz]

In my opinion the main problem will ever and always be seeing things/thinking differently than that of the group we were randomly put into.

It's probably bad for me to admit this but I'm more of a submissive person when it comes to group stuff. I usually do what everyone else wants and don't ask questions about it. I might've mentioned earlier in this thread or another that I have anxiety. Not "tanxiety". Just anxiety. I say hello and proceed to the first packs when the dungeon starts. My default speed in dungeons is to do "big" pulls. But if my group doesn't want to do that, and they make that known to me, I just say ok. It doesn't bother me that much.