Instant Temp Bans

[Kurando]

Having a month ban is a long time, I heard it starts off shorter than that like 24/48hrs and then gradually increases for each offense (unless that's incorrect?). Must have been something quite serious though...

[Jimmymagic]

Having a month ban is a long time, I heard it starts off shorter than that like 24/48hrs and then gradually increases for each offense (unless that's incorrect?). Must have been something quite serious though...

That's what I thought to.. im mean a month is ridiculous. But then again there maybe more information that im not aware and that the harassment had been going on for awhile...just seems extreme to me

[Zomkei]

it's 9 days max isn't it? aside from RMT bans that is lol. i could be wrong, though.

edit: i looked it up, seems they changed the way temp bans are now.

◆Temporary Service Account Suspension
"Temporary Service Account Suspension" is a penalty applied when a serious violation is confirmed. When a Temporary Service Account Suspension penalty is applied, the user will not be able to play Final Fantasy XIV during the applicable suspension period.

There are three types of Temporary Service Account Suspension: 3 Days, 10 Days and 20 Days. The duration of the suspension period is determined according to the severity of the violation, combined with the player’s record of past violations. Even if a Caution or Warning was not applied in respect of past behaviour, a temporary suspension may be imposed depending on the nature of the violation.

(source: https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...la=1&kid=68098)

so in order to go ahead and give him a full 20 day temp ban then they had more than enough proof I'd assume.

[Jimmymagic]

The point is about speculation - how can you determine balance in banning then? SE baffles me at times with there ToS enforcement or lack there of ...

I'll find out more later on.

[Hash_Browns]

If he got a month ban then this isn't the first time he was banned.

[HakaseNyan]

The point is about speculation - how can you determine balance in banning then? SE baffles me at times with there ToS enforcement or lack there of ...

I'll find out more later on.

If your FC leader gives you the actual truth, then maybe you'll get a good idea of how it is determined with the level of harassment he was engaging in.

[Kaethra]

So if someone got banned for Harassment, seemingly out of the blue. By someone who tends to be friendly and doesn't do anything creepy like stalking people, or using ethnic or homophobic slurs. Then they probably got hit for:

・Obscene/indecent expressions

What does that mean? Your guess is as good as mine.

The fact that it isn't clearly defined leads me to believe this is likely what the cause was for the ban (assuming of course that all information provided thusfar is correct, factual, and complete, and we're going to give the benefit of the doubt because that's what polite people do).

This could have been a crude joke cracked somewhere. Something in bad taste, or whatnot. Lets just say that SE has a super conservative approach to this sort of thing coming from a culture where indency and the like are taken very seriously. Personally I think they should apply NA cultural norms to this sort of thing when applying them to NA, but that's just me. I will say when my new representative takes office they will be getting a letter about the strictness of SE's new rules and see if they can't apply pressure to alleviate some of them at least within the US. Discusion of the reasoning behind wanting to do this is well beyond the scope of this thread. If you're interested in discussing it, feel free to make a new thread.

But in either case, we are where we are now. That means no crude jokes. No innuendo jokes. None of that. Nothing that anyone could find gross, disgusting, lustful, or any of that. Like I've said in another thread. Keep your communications in game to a minimum. Use discord for any sort of friendy communication. SE has made its rules far too strict to communicate in game for most of us. Just take a look at their ruleset to see for yourselves:

https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...6&id=5382&la=1

The part under Offensive Expression is particularly troubling. By those rules you cannot even tell a tank to put on tank stance. "・Expressions that compel a playing style" Cannot tell someone to tank pretty much. But then again a tank not tanking is "Obstruction of Play" So when someone does something annoying. Don't tell them. Report them. Rules are truly setup to be a First one to Report, Wins means of resolving player to player conflict. SE wants to handle our problems for us.

[alimdia]

If he got a month ban then this isn't the first time he was banned.

GM's can escalate bans if whatever he did was too severe. Like someone being racist in public chat or posting NSFW links isn't gonna get the lowest punishment even if it's their first time.

@OP this is your friend's last chance, next time he gets in trouble it will be account termination.

[Nixxe]

I guess my question of topic is how can SE regulate this and determine what is harassment.

Because this is their private property and they have an unequivocal right to set the terms of access to it.

Unless you mean what they're using to determine it, in which case it's mostly chat logs and reports that turn their attention to specific areas of the chat log.

[Jimmymagic]

Because this is their private property and they have an unequivocal right to set the terms of access to it.

Unless you mean what they're using to determine it, in which case it's mostly chat logs and reports that turn their attention to specific areas of the chat log.

actually that makes sense when you put it like that