Race Naming Conventions for Viera and Hrothgar

[myahele]

I'm kind of confused.

The Lost Hrothgars once served a Queen, thus making them former Helions, but due to their death and choosing not to serve any more Queens they become The Lost. That makes sense, but I'm not sure why The Lost will have different skin color and eye pupils.

[JeanneOrnitier]

Anyway, I understand the city name thing is because they don't want to cause outrage from people who'd feel like they have to buy a name change. Understandable. But the post does say city names are generally used, not always used, so you could still use an Icelandic forest name out in the world and be fine.

[Verius_Nox]

I'm kind of confused.

The Lost Hrothgars once served a Queen, thus making them former Helions, but due to their death and choosing not to serve any more Queens they become The Lost. That makes sense, but I'm not sure why The Lost will have different skin color and eye pupils.

I don't know about eye pupils, but I color change in fur does happen, though mostly for change of seasons. I'm guessing the loss of a queen causes their fur to take on more cool colors instead of warm? I don't know, just tossing ideas.

[Thagyr]

So, does Hrothgar fur change colour based on their emotions? The initial lore led me to think that Lost and Helions were two separate clans, with the Lost being a distant group that separated from a Queen due to a choice. It literally said they were that way because of their independant nature.

But the naming conventions tell that all Hrothgar are of one group divided by who has a Queen and who hasn't. With the Lost being a sorrowful group of nomads who lost their own, and were suddenly associated with colder colour palletes.

That's a whole lot of questions. Perhaps Lost colours and personalities ARE because of losing a Queen. Refusing to serve another in the same capacity so adopting a staunch independant mindset.

[Daralii]

Wow. All this time we spent waiting for something that looks like it took all of five minutes to create. I understand this is but a minuscule piece of the game’s level of quality and immersion, but ... really? I was hoping we would at least get some information on the Viera villages so we would have some insight into their lives before they left the wood. It seems like such a waste of creative potential. I chose the surname Muscadet because in the real world it’s a type of wine, and I liked to imagine that maybe Muscadet village is a place where local Vieran wines were produced, thus giving the village a sort of relaxed and somewhat refined reputation. A town where the local tavern was always filled with joyful music and animated conversation over a bottle of wine. I suppose since everything is left wide open it’s fine to imagine such a possibility, but still... I feel quite disappointed. Oh well! At least we have a bit more information than nothing now.

Muscadet was a Viera town in Tactics Advance. Several Rava villages are direct references to the Ivalice games.

[Verius_Nox]

So, does Hrothgar fur change colour based on their emotions? The initial lore led me to think that Lost and Helions were two separate clans, with the Lost being a distant group that separated from a Queen due to a choice. It literally said they were that way because of their independant nature.

But the naming conventions tell that all Hrothgar are of one group divided by who has a Queen and who hasn't. With the Lost being a sorrowful group of nomads who lost their own, and were suddenly associated with colder colour palletes.

That's a whole lot of questions. Perhaps Lost colours and personalities ARE because of losing a Queen. Refusing to serve another in the same capacity so adopting a staunch independant mindset.

I think they retconned the whole thing about the Lost being rebellious nomads.

[Xelanar]

I have so many questions about Viera naming conventions =/.

- Would a Viera who lost her home town through war choose a different surname? Or would she rather keep it because she did not 'choose' to leave?
- The same applies to first names as well. What if a Viera looses her home or is forced to flee? Would she pick a different first name, or rather keep it because she was forced out of her prefered life-style instead of leaving it behind voluntarily?
- Would a Viera who chose to leave pick a name that still lies within 'forest' naming conventions, or would she not only discard her forest name but also refrain from picking one that could as well be seen as a forest one?(E.g. Ruuj decides to leave her home. Would she consider naming herself Shara, or would she not because Shara is considered a forest name as well?)
- What surname is given to Viera who are born in the wild, with no home to call their own? The name of the forest she was born in?

Just to name a few.


Since I had a character in mind whose home got garlemaldized, I'm really struggling to find a fitting name for her >.<.

[Wyssahtyn]

I'm kind of confused.

The Lost Hrothgars once served a Queen, thus making them former Helions, but due to their death and choosing not to serve any more Queens they become The Lost. That makes sense, but I'm not sure why The Lost will have different skin color and eye pupils.

"Though Hrothgar form their own clan-like communities, they, as a race, cannot be divided into distinct “clans” with separate traditions and features. They are instead most often sorted into the categories of “Helion” and “Lost,” according to their social status─but these labels, too, were imposed by scholars of the other races rather than the Hrothgar themselves, and have unfortunately led to certain misconceptions, such as the popular belief that Helions always have golden fur."

The character creator reflects foreign perception, that is, stereotypes, of the race. There would thus be little reason why you couldn't pick a "Helion" via character creator and call them "Lost" in whatever backstory you come up with. The only distinction is whether one serves the queen or not. *Or rather, a queen, seeing as how the various clans seem to have their own.

[Solenne]

So most Viera would never use their forest names, which are all the built-in name gen names... Basically SE is telling us most people who want to be lore friendly and already made Viera now need to purchase a name change. This was a really horrible deployment of the new races and conventions. I know they said this is the last time a new race will be added to the game. After this mess, I hope that's true.

I completely agree. I'm very angry about this. I have a Viera character who was born in Rabanastre, so the fact that she has a "lore friendly" name makes no sense given the conventions. SE set us up to fail on this one, and they should be the ones footing the bill for any name changes at this point.

[nariya]

Muscadet was a Viera town in Tactics Advance. Several Rava villages are direct references to the Ivalice games.

Yeah, I knew about the town in TA and I love Muscadet wine, so I let myself fantasize a bit! In any case, adding some flair to the villages would’ve been an excellent creative opportunity for the writers, plus something for those interested in lore to be excited over but I guess we will have to wait and see if any further information becomes available in the future. Maybe one day they’ll open the region to us and flesh out the lore for the villages. In the meantime, we can always make up our own stories about what life was like for our characters before leaving their respective places of origin. It just seems so sad that so much thought went into the other races’ naming conventions, but the Viera and Hrothgar were just so... uninspired.