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  1. #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by sexythaumaturge View Post
    That makes no sense. It’s frequent enough that all that button mashing SHOULDN’T be a thing. If anything, one of the fixes could be to just have the burst on a longer cooldown, but with higher potency, so that you can catch a breath.

    I know you’ve convinced yourself that pressing all these unnecessary buttons somehow makes you a better player. It does not. And Gunbreaker is essentially a very simple class, its button bloat masquerading as complexity. A burst should be something fun. Just look at Warrior’s Fell Cleave window, one of the funnest mechanics in the game - it’s just one button. Now look at Stormblood’s Dark Knight and its universally panned Dark Arts and its terrible double weaving. It necessitated a full rework, and look what they did with it - just repackaged it a little and named it Continuation. Yet people who hated Dark Arts now suddenly love Gunbreaker. It’s baffling.
    I am in the camp of it not changing, It's no different then any melee DPS like Drg or Monk in my opinion. Taking away that one button would kill the flow of the class big time. I can post a video of my playing and show you how simple it already is with the system we have now. I'm telling it's not that bad. Hell it's way better than monk in my opinion which has 3 unneeded buttons... on monk. Maybe I'm just used to complex buttons as I have a huge background in CAPCOM fighting games and again I play monk. So playing on breako is stupid simple for me already.
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  2. #52
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    Burningskull's Avatar
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    Markov Dracul
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dancer Lv 100
    I have the 1 > 2 > 3 combo and Heat Blast? Hot Blast? I don't know the names of the skills on R2 + face buttons. I have my Gnashing Fang + Continuation combo on L2 + Face Buttons. Works really well for me. Let's me move while doing it and if I need to change enemies I just tap R1 while holding L2 to do the Gnashing Fang combo. I have Bow Shock, Sonic Strike (or Sonic Break or w/e), and Blasting Zone on my 2nd cross bar ( Hold R2 then Hold L2 at same time to access it) with buttons on a hotbar above my crossbar to let me know when they come off cooldown.
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  3. #53
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    Machka Gikkingen
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    Goblin
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    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    Terrible idea.
    With 3 buttons at least i could tell where i am in the combo, it is really important for double weaving and micromanaging things in it.
    With one button you wont be able to tell without constantly looking at the hotbar, this will be a nightmare for anyone who would want to optimise their play on this job.
    You already could merge all 3 buttons into one without losing anything, just do that. x_x
    How does having them on one button hinder double weaving at all? If anything it would make it faster, since less keys equals less shifting your hands around.

    Also, what does it matter where you are in your combo? There are only certain moves you can use without breaking GF combo, but they are not affected by which step of the combo you are on. You either are weaving an ogcd in with the continuation for that step, or you are doing a non-combo-breaking gcd and weaving whatever ogcds you have available. If you're trying to maximize a buff window, all your decision making would center around getting your highest potency ogcds in, not what GF combo step you're on. Your gcds are locked in due to how the GF combo is designed. There is very little decision making that hinges on which GF combo step you're on. You either finish it or you don't.

    And ultimately, knowing where you are in the combo is as simple as counting to three. I don't see how anyone whose optimization is so high-tier that the exact step of the combo they weave an ogcd after matters would struggle with keeping track of something as straightforward as that.

    As for your last point, I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. What I'm suggesting is exactly that - merging all 3 buttons into one, because we wouldn't lose anything. That would result in having a total of 2 buttons for the GF + continuation combo.
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    Last edited by Machka; 07-22-2019 at 09:18 AM. Reason: Fixed grammar/unclear sentence in third paragraph

  4. #54
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    kazzel120's Avatar
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    Kamie Celesstian
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    Midgardsormr
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    Lancer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    What? No, it could still be OGCD.
    Not when it changes from one skill into another in drgs case true thrust becomes raiden thrust after you land the position reqirement they share the same gcd.

    People just want gnb they only tank now that gives you actual stuff to do to be brain dead easy i for one like how it is. So for the love of god leave it alone.
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    Misty Regions
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    Brynhildr
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    Warrior Lv 80
    We still on about how hard it is to set up the upper cross bar with everything on it and double tapping r2?
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  6. #56
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    ScarboroughFairy's Avatar
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    Vafre Navafreyr
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    Sargatanas
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    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Mistyregions View Post
    We still on about how hard it is to set up the upper cross bar with everything on it and double tapping r2?
    Or using the WXHB with either combination of shoulder buttons to access X-Hotbar 2. I understand that difficulty is subjective, but this stuff is horribly simple.
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  7. #57
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    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Tani Shirai
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    Cactuar
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by sexythaumaturge View Post
    I know you’ve convinced yourself that pressing all these unnecessary buttons somehow makes you a better player. It does not. And Gunbreaker is essentially a very simple class, its button bloat masquerading as complexity.
    Isn't that XIV in a nutshell, though?

    We don't have abilities that can interestingly combine with each other; we have linear, unidirectional sequences that offer no decision-making, but simply take up more button slots. (See all "combos".)
    We deny QoL or functionality fixes one expansion so we can give them an expansion later in a way that takes up another button slot. (See original "Deliverance".)
    We make abilities that literally cannot be used except after another still take up separate button slots so that players won't confuse them for a "secondary" ability instead of something "new and intriguing". (See Mirage Dive or new Assassination.)

    It would seem the developers are convinced that--at least, or especially, when it comes to combat toolkits--we both hate actual depth and love the pretense of depth. From that assumption, ours is the logical outcome.
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Excalibur
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
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  9. #59
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    Nonni Brilante
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    Moogle
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    Paladin Lv 60
    I don't know if macros can be mapped to controllers, but this might help.

    /macroicon "Gnashing Fang"
    /ac "Wicked Talon"
    /ac "Savage Claw"
    /ac "Gnashing Fang"
    /ac "Burst Strike"

    I'm not 70 yet on my Gunbreaker, but I'll test if the Continuation combo can be crammed into there as well so all I have to do is just mash that one button until my keyboard breaks.
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    Vafre Navafreyr
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    Sargatanas
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    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Kazrah View Post
    I don't know if macros can be mapped to controllers, but this might help.

    /macroicon "Gnashing Fang"
    /ac "Wicked Talon"
    /ac "Savage Claw"
    /ac "Gnashing Fang"
    /ac "Burst Strike"

    I'm not 70 yet on my Gunbreaker, but I'll test if the Continuation combo can be crammed into there as well so all I have to do is just mash that one button until my keyboard breaks.
    I'll probably get called an elitist by someone hurtmad here, but you should not macro combat skills.
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