The "Wow Refugee's" impact on the FFXIV Community?

[CazzT]

It doesn't go both ways. Everything I have stated has been objective in nature.

I avoid stating opinions in these threads for this very reason. Flipping the narrative on me is useless.

It is indeed factual that any number (undefined) of factors will influence a community for better or worse. You ask me to provide evidence of human nature, however, I won't do that. What I will do is restate my point that change is inevitable.

Despite our efforts, everything evolves over time. To claim that WoW immigrants are the problem child of this community infecting everyone is hyperbolic without any semblance of evidence that ISN'T anecdotal.

I can sum your post up with two words...

Double standards.

You haven't posted anything objective that I've seen. Your reply to me certainly was anything but objective. There's no narrative to flip. You're just throwing out buzzwords.

I respectfully deflowered and dismantled your aggressive claims that WoW immigrants are the problem in this community. Nothing more.

The chicken little insult was cute and very ladylike. I approve.

Nothing that I've said has been aggressive. Your insults, on the other hand...
And you certainly have not been respectful. Flinging accusations, especially false and baseless accusations, is not respectful.

[mario710]

LOLwut? There's no paranoia, Chicken Little. And I don't think you know what passive-aggressive means.


From them? No. About them? Yes. Stories of negative experiences where one of the people causing the negative experience boasts that they're from WoW... Yes to that as well.
And of course there's the attempt to dismiss what someone says by misusing fallacy accusations and demanding evidence for something.
And what "crippling issues" are you referring to? I'm getting the impression you quoted the wrong person.

Based on your post, it would not surprise me if you did exactly that every day. You're certainly prone to make wild leaps and even wilder accusations. Even to the point where you're displaying the very toxicity that FFXIV players dislike.

I respectfully deflowered and dismantled your aggressive claims that WoW immigrants are the problem in this community. Nothing more.

The chicken little insult was cute and very ladylike. I approve.

[Takamorisan]

Remember fellas, gatekeeping and inventing labels to attach to people that don't play the game like you expect is the most dumb thing you can do! Everyone is welcome to join the party!

[Nixxe]

It doesn't go both ways. Everything I have stated has been objective in nature.

I avoid stating opinions in these threads for this very reason. Flipping the narrative on me is useless.

It is indeed factual that any number (undefined) of factors will influence a community for better or worse. You ask me to provide evidence of human nature, however, I won't do that. What I will do is restate my point that change is inevitable.

Despite our efforts, everything evolves over time. To claim that WoW immigrants are the problem child of this community infecting everyone is hyperbolic without any semblance of evidence that ISN'T anecdotal.

If you had settled for stating that it was unjustified to claim with certainty it was the fault of WoW players, your argument would have merit, but you didn't. Instead, in labeling it hyperbolic, you implicitly made a counterclaim, and I'm gonna take a stab in the dark and guess you don't have evidence to support that claim that meets whatever standards you're imposing on others, as it seems unlikely you'd be satisfied with anything other than a national laboratory handling the case.

[mario710]

I can sum your post up with two words...

Double standards.

You haven't posted anything objective that I've seen. Your reply to me certainly was anything but objective. There's no narrative to flip. You're just throwing out buzzwords.

Everything I have objectively stated has been the result of your poorly backed statements regarding the state of this community. That statement is also objective in its entirety.

Where is your evidence backed by observational data?

Can we both agree that the number of plausible factors affecting this community is undefined to the common player?

[CazzT]

Everything I have objectively stated has been the result of your poorly backed statements regarding the state of this community. That statement is also objective in its entirety.

Where is your evidence backed by observational data?

Can both agree that the number of plausible factors affecting this community is undefined to the common player?

Nothing I have said requires evidence. What I have said is observation.

The word you're looking for, by the way, is not "objective", it's "subjective". You have not stated anything that's objective.
You claiming that you've posted objective statements is not an objective statement. You're using words that you don't understand the meaning of.

You also seem incapable of posting without insulting the person you're replying to. You are exhibiting toxic behavior. You have done this to me in several replies and you've done it to others as well.

If you want to continue to have a civil discussion, leave the insults out of it.

[Schan]

It doesn't go both ways. Everything I have stated has been objective in nature.

I avoid stating opinions in these threads for this very reason. Flipping the narrative on me is useless.

It is indeed factual that any number (undefined) of factors will influence a community for better or worse. You ask me to provide evidence of human nature, however, I won't do that. What I will do is restate my point that change is inevitable.

Despite our efforts, everything evolves over time. To claim that WoW immigrants are the problem child of this community infecting everyone is hyperbolic without any semblance of evidence that ISN'T anecdotal.

Someone needs some reading comprehension as well. I would like you to point out in my post where I have said / implied that WoW immigrants are the problem child of this community.

As much as I don't always agree with CazzT I have to agree that it seems you're throwing buzzwords around.

You're not being objective. If anything you're being psudo-objective and by that I mean you are pretending to be objective with fancy words without actually providing proof of said objectivity because "i won't do that". that is your choice but don't be surprised when people doubt your objectivity when we see no proof.

[mario710]

An utterly vacuous comment.

There is an abundance of evidence for the claim that many WoW players have begun playing FFXIV over time

Provide me with this abundance of evidence on a neat spreadsheet.

[mario710]

Nothing I have said requires evidence. What I have said is observation.

The word you're looking for, by the way, is not "objective", it's "subjective". You have not stated anything that's objective.
You claiming that you've posted objective statements is not an objective statement. You're using words that you don't understand the meaning of.

You also seem incapable of posting without insulting the person you're replying to. You are exhibiting toxic behavior. You have done this to me in several replies and you've done it to others as well.

If you want to continue to have a civil discussion, leave the insults out of it.

What a disgusting conglomerate of sewage.

First, you claim that I've only stated opinions - which is false - and then you claim that I've flung insults?

I am defeated.

Have a nice day.

[mario710]

If you had settled for stating that it was unjustified to claim with certainty it was the fault of WoW players, your argument would have merit, but you didn't. Instead, in labeling it hyperbolic, you implicitly made a counterclaim, and I'm gonna take a stab in the dark and guess you don't have evidence to support that claim that meets whatever standards you're imposing on others, as it seems unlikely you'd be satisfied with anything other than a national laboratory handling the case.

None of that is relevant.