Can the dev's please change how we buy houses?

[Ishgardian]

There are some who like to repeatedly relocate with the purpose of resetting the housing timers, just to screw with campers.

Because some people have nothing better to do than trolling doesn't change the fact that first time house buyers have to go through the timer. All of them with no exception.

[TwistedTea]

If you two seriously believe that a lottery system is fair, you must believe that communism is fair.

Lol,non-argument.

I think a lottery system would be better. For example:

1. If a player wants a specific plot, they have to click on the placard within the hour it opens and put down a refundable deposit. Only the first 10 people, will be in the list/lottery hat.

2. If a player wants a random plot, the players chooses whether they want a small,medium,large and the system informs them when such a plot becomes available.

They then put down a refundable deposit and this list should be limited to the first 30 people within an hour after the system sent out the notification.

This does away with the need for spam clicking and doesn't create long waiting lists. The RNG here would come down to frequent checking when plots become available and 'fighting' those on the current lottery list/hat.

[Eskuire]

Lol,non-argument.

I think a lottery system would be better. For example:

1. If a player wants a specific plot, they have to click on the placard within the hour it opens and put down a refundable deposit. Only the first 10 people, will be in the list/lottery hat.

2. If a player wants a random plot, the players chooses whether they want a small,medium,large and the system informs them when such a plot becomes available.

They then put down a refundable deposit and this list should be limited to the first 30 people within an hour after the system sent out the notification.

This does away with the need for spam clicking and doesn't create long waiting lists. The RNG here would come down to frequent checking when plots become available and 'fighting' those on the current lottery list/hat.

So anyone with a job during the day is unable to get a house as they have to spend most of their off time watching aetherytes for houses? As much as I agree with people on some aspects. The "lottery" system isn't one of them, sorry. It's a bad system people are proposing.

[The_Last_Dragoon]

Let's all come to the agreement that SE probably never intended for players to camp a particular house, doing nothing for 20+ hours, and still be unable to get the listing. Not to mention that the current system is essentially a lottery anyway, just one that you have to continually press buttons for.

Instead, let's kill two birds with one stone.

• Keep the random timer as is and don't limit the number of people who can apply for the house nor how many houses they can apply for at a time.
• When applying for a house, you have to put down the cost as a deposit. If you do not win the raffle, then your money is automatically shipped back to you via moogle mail with a 50,000 gil fee subtracted.
• If a player relocates their house to the vacant location, the deposit will be returned without charging the player a fee.
• The moment you win a house, all other listings that you are still entered in will have their money sent back with the fee removed as if you lost the listing.
• Restrict the purchase of Private houses to players who have completed the Shadowbringers MSQ (obviously this would update with each expansion release, and any character owning a house prior to this change would not have to give up the land).
• If for some reason, the timer is expired before anyone enters into the raffle, then the land can be bought normally.

This way, players only gain a moderate advantage by having a lot of gil, and in return it acts as a major gil sink on the economy. In return for giving wealthy players this advantage, it opens up housing to pretty much every player with the money to buy a house, since the ridiculous timer means occasionally popping in for an hour or two every day and checking the aetheryte once will probably alert you to any listings currently on the market.

[TwistedTea]

So anyone with a job during the day is unable to get a house as they have to spend most of their off time watching aetherytes for houses? As much as I agree with people on some aspects. The "lottery" system isn't one of them, sorry. It's a bad system people are proposing.

Sorry but a job,family,IRL responsibilities are not a good argument against a lottery system:

"I have a job and a family, I don't have time for Savage raids."

In an MMORPG, those with more time to play will always have an advantage.

Under the current system, more than 10 players can be camping a placard clicking for more than 22 hours.

If anything, the current system is not job/family IRL responsibilities friendly.

[TwistedTea]

Instead, let's kill two birds with one stone.

• Restrict the purchase of Private houses to players who have completed the Shadowbringers MSQ (obviously this would update with each expansion release, and any character owning a house prior to this change would not have to give up the land).

Curious as to why you included this as a requirement. Not everyone has access to the latest expansion and currently the restrictions to own a house are:

• Character with level 50 in 1 of the classes.
  
• Second Lieutenant in 1 of the Grand Companies for Personal Housing. Rank 6 or higher Free Company for Free Company Housing.

Why do you think the current restrictions are not sufficient?

[The_Last_Dragoon]

Curious as to why you included this as a requirement. Not everyone has access to the latest expansion and currently the restrictions to own a house are:

• Character with level 50 in 1 of the classes.
  
• Second Lieutenant in 1 of the Grand Companies for Personal Housing. Rank 6 or higher Free Company for Free Company Housing.

Why do you think the current restrictions are not sufficient?

It's because the problem lies with players who either horde houses using alts or scalp them in order to sell the space as a transfer fodder. By requiring the current MSQ, it ensures the player that wants to purchase land is active and purposely hinders players who want to buy more than one through alts. Without these limitations, a raffle type system would run rampant with wealthy players easily being able to snatch up land at the meager price of a level skip potion and an afternoon's worth of dungeons and head hunting.

Additionally, this wouldn't affect veteran players who already own houses and have simply not played through the expansion yet. The only real victims would be new players that mysteriously inherit a massive fortune prior to finishing the MSQ. In fact, to say that a player, who has several million gil and is indeed an active enough player to want a house without somehow already having one, would not have the latest expansion of a game that they've invested so much time into is both irregular and unlikely.

[Eskuire]

Sorry but a job,family,IRL responsibilities are not a good argument against a lottery system:

"I have a job and a family, I don't have time for Savage raids."

In an MMORPG, those with more time to play will always have an advantage.

Under the current system, more than 10 players can be camping a placard clicking for more than 22 hours.

If anything, the current system is not job/family IRL responsibilities friendly.

And a lottery based system would be? Hell, you could probably free up 1/8th of every server if you just make houses account wide and only 1 purchaseable per SE account, a majority of people who hold onto them to flip them for 50 million for a small would be out of a business. I get the frustration, believe me I do to those who don't have houses. But on an active server, with an expansion just launching and no news on added wards, having a lottery system with a server full of active players and giving them an hour window is just masking a problem that still constantly exists.

Mew's point of making them the old 2.0'ish levels of pricing is correct. Hell I saved for a ridiculous long time just to buy a small back then, and at one point I was in an FC on Gilgamesh before I left that server that they literally owned almost every house of the entire ward to themselves. 3 million is a drop of a hat to someone who plays this game for a reasonable amount of time and understand how a market works, making it a luxury price, something the player NEEDS to work for would put a halt to people just snatching up random houses on alts with auto clickers.

Would you rather drop 10-30 million on a small just by walking to the placard and clicking buy, or would you rather deal with an RNG lottery in both scenarios against a random guy with 150 million gil and a bunch of alts all holding 7 of his 150 mil on them with blank FC's on the same account with an auto clicker set up specifically to buy them? Then he'll go on reddit housing to sell those same smalls for 60 million?

When things are cheap and affordable then it'll create a high demand for something of limited stock. High cost with high demand and limited stock creates a niche'd market. Thus you weed out the randoms with 5 million camping a placard for 22 hours, if developers aren't willing to do anything about it, then they need to weed out demand. And that's the only way aside from a complete makeover of the entire system, which they've sidestepped for 2 years now.

[LSSJGamer]

Alright you know it's bad when players are getting physically injured trying desperately for a house. Then only to have a bot beat them to it and then the player giving everyone who lost the house the electronic middle finger. Please take care of yourselves the house is not worth your health. I agree the current housing system is unhealthy. Both physically and emotionally. I mean it causes you to automatically hate anyone and everyone vying for the same house, and as stated in this thread causes some physical health issues. Not to mention the massive time sink it may take you to finally get one.

I won't even try buying a house. I would rather have everything done to me the Angry Video Game nerd says he would rather have done to him than play those bad games, than try buying a house now. Good luck in your house buying endeavors, and don't hurt yourselves please.

Your statement, that some people are dealing with the timer and others don't, is completely false.

Did it cross your mind that relocators had had to deal with the timer when they were, like you, trying to buy their very first house? Why should they have to deal with the timer for a second time? That would be unfair.

I understand how you feel but if you decide you want to move for whatever reason you are also deciding to re enter the housing market. Unlike the unworthy 1st time home buyer if you were to lose the placard spam contest you have a home to go back to, they do not. Just because you won round 1 does not automatically mean you should win round 2. But it is the way it is so enjoy giving the hopeful 1st time buyer the finger as you swoop in and take it and start moving in your stuff.

[Jirah]

I like to note that some people have several homes somehow, in my Ward the first 4 plots have the same last name and 3 dead FCs, unsure how that’s possible