Why are people complaining about SMN damage?

[Milea]

Another issue is smn has weird things that means playing it how it should be played means playing it wrong.

Ex: trying to proc a wyrmwave with ruin 2 right as bahamut smns apparently doesn't work

Without reading a guide you wouldn't know this existed

Similar is using 2 egi attack after each other does give 2 ruin 4 or somethibg like that

You want to weave only 1 after a ruin 3 from what I understand

Also, the job changed so radically many still believe you want to ruin 2, fester, ruin 2, tri disaster in bahamut phase when that is gone like you did tc

So mainly, smn is alot of bugs and misunderstandings while being clunky to play and having a low dps compared to others even with all the effort to understand and work around these issues.

[battleshadow66]

This Job is a fine example of 3 steps forward, and ten steps back. :P

And ShB had some actual cool changes, it's just that once again, the execution is terrible. But it feels like SMN has always been that way.

[Gallus]

Wanna compare SMN with BRD?

1 - They do roughly the same DMG.
2 - BRD has full mobility, SMN does not.
3 - BRD has a real AOE buff. SMN has a clown AOE buff.
4 - BRD plays well and flows well. SMN is a convoluted mess and is currently glitched.
5 - SMN is twice as hard as BRD.

Number 5 shouldn't matter, because SE doesn't reward job complexity by giving them more DPS, that's not how it works, but in this case, it certainly adds salt to the wound.

[Trensharo]

I'm going to wait until 7.0. Just finished all of the post SB main story quests, and uninstalled. No use spending money on this expac, when the next one will include it for the same price, anyways.

Not a fan of the other classes. Typically only play pet casters in MMOs. After 18 years, I don't see a point in changing that now.

[Neela]

Basically it was top DPS, now it's not.

But SMN Egis do have some gameplay problems right now that need to be ironed out asap.

fixed it.. its all about this:

I tried UCOB and UWU on SMN the other day - There was a significant drop in dps. I do well in both fights so it was interesting to see it from a firsthand perspective.

To put it plainly, when I was using Ifrit on SMN (in UWU) before shadowbringers he was doing:

2.9k per burning Strike
1.2k per auto.

Total: 4.1k per gcd

After Shadowbringers:

1.4k per burning Strike
0 per auto (non-existant)

Total: 1.4k per GCD

% Change = -66% in DPS from GCD differences of the pets.

The lack of an ifrit auto is one of the reasons for SMN's low dps in level 80 content and synced content at 70 (I was being outdps'd by a tank at some points in UCOB)

As for the pets: I really really hope that they base it off player potency. I want to see the player potency number - Not have to do some math and try and figure out their potency.

if ifrit will get his AA back smns dmg is more than good to go tho...


@Trensharo
Go and get your robot than - play overpowered Mch ;3

[Dyvid]

Basically it was top DPS, now it's not. You're always going to have people that play certain job purely because it is top DPS on FFlogs rather than the enjoyment of playing the jobs.

But SMN Egis SMN does have some gameplay problems right now that need to be ironed out.

fixed it..

Corrected your error. SMN has more problems than just Egis.

[TimeraiderGaranyi]

This is where I question if you even play SMN, cause we are so not that mobile caster we were in SB, if you think this then you are mistaken. BLM is the mobile caster now.

Also the difference between RDM and SMN dps is abysmal in most cases where RDM can out dps a SMN simply cause of its complexity, and how much of a mess it is. This is the same issue we had in SB with BLM and SMN. We got to be mobile and out dps them for a long time until they got fixed.

Now we are in that same boat of being less mobile and doing significantly less dps then we were doing from a percent stand point. Also you need to read those threads they are less about dps and more about how clunky the job has become.

you can say alot about SMN not being on par. Thats all fine.
But calling BLM a mobile caster now is just.. no..

[Angry_Evil]

you can say alot about SMN not being on par. Thats all fine.
But calling BLM a mobile caster now is just.. no..

You sure about that?
https://twitter.com/shirayuki_loli/s...18442128818181

[Neela]

Corrected your error. SMN has more problems than just Egis.

It doesn’t people just can’t get used to the complete rework and muscle memory. Dmg would be fine with working Egis. Everything else like cutting DWT for Raidbuffs and dbl or triple weaving ocgd are just unfamiliar that’s all. People hated building up trance for deathflare but they got used to it, people were skeptical about Bahamuts ogcd weaving and the got used to it (some are already missing the ogcd phase atm) and now people fight the chaotic/fast speed rota, r4 proc mechanic, dbl trance windows etc but guess what they will get used to it.... again.

yet I know there are much qol-points which can be way smoother than it currently is (ping lags on first trance weaving, big Enterons movement after all, losing our mobility out of trance cause r2 sucks now and actually no reason to use it for ogcds anymore... etc etc) - but those are no game-breaking points. on top of this its like ninjas say "why should I bother the effort for unsatisfying outcome?" - and that unsatisfying outcome is the lack of Egi Dmg we were used to.


As ARR smn I saw this behavior on every xpac smn changed completely. Wait for savage and the first balance patches. I doubt if current smn would pull out 13k easily no one would say „it has problems“ - u know I’m right. It’s about the dmg Ifrit lost not about the faster/complex Design.

[Shurrikhan]

Yes it is, not only did ninja get more complex, but instead of potency being tuned properly to keep our personal dps in the middle of the pack we got nerfed instead. The job is fun to play yes but it doesn't make up for that. So please leave us out of your caster debate; we have enough problems of our own.

Given your rDPS, why would you expect to be middle of the pack?

By balance, you should be the lowest pDPS, such that your tDPS (indirect contribution given + personal dps not including indirect contribution received) is simply... the same as everyone else.